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  • #31
    Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
    Yes, I remember now that you are anti Trinity also. I guess all the anti Trins end up on TOL because TOL lets you post here. All other Christian forums will ban you. Fortunately you haven't convinced any true believers of your false teachings.
    Trinitarianism would not be debated if there was no problems with it. Do you prefer the Catholic insertions to the original scriptures?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
      Trinitarianism would not be debated if there was no problems with it. Do you prefer the Catholic insertions to the original scriptures?
      But Rome had a trinity: Jupiter, Mars, Venus.
      Wayward Israel had a trinity: Baal, Tammuz, Ashoreth.
      Egypt had a trinity: Osiris, Horus, Isis.
      Greece had a trinity: Zeus, Apollo, Athena.
      India had a trinity: Brahama, Visnu, Sheva.
      Babylon had a trinity: Nimrod, Tammuz, Semiramis (pictured as mother and child).
      Catholicism has a trinity: Father, Son, Holy Spirit (symbolized as a dove).

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      • #33
        Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
        Are you anti Trinity ?
        No, I am pro-scripture.

        The plain reading of scripture overwhelmingly teaches a Unitarian view of God with the exception of two to three dozen passages mentioned below, so people that believes in the Trinity should have any problem with Bible literalists holding a Unitarian view.

        Scripture supports belief in a Binitarian view of both Jesus and the Father being God in about two dozen or so passages found in both the Old Testament and the New Testament, though the interpretation of those passages have been debated for 1700 years.

        Scripture supports the belief in a Trinitarian view of the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and the Father all being God in half a dozen additional passages to the ones used to support the Binitarian view, though the interpretation of those passages have also been debated for 1700 years.

        Scripture does not teach belief in the Trinity.

        Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
        Yes, He/She is.
        You are a liar.
        Learn to read what is written.

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        The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
        ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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        • #34
          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
          Question.

          What is the purpose of this poll?

          Is truth based on a vote or is truth independent of what people say is true?

          John 17:17 God's word is truth.
          It shows who believes in truth and who doesn't.
          He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

          Jim Elliot

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          • #35
            You are a liar.
            If you call me a liar for calling you a non-trinitarian that may be a good thing. From your posts you seem to be Unitarian.
            He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

            Jim Elliot

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
              If you call me a liar for calling you a non-trinitarian that may be a good thing. From your posts you seem to be Unitarian.
              You are trying to see if a person is either a Trinitarian or a Unitarian so you can accept them or reject them.

              I am searching the scriptures to see whether the scriptures teach what the churches say it teaches to see whether a doctrine should be accepted or rejected.

              Can you see the difference?
              Learn to read what is written.

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              The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
              ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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              • #37
                Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                You are trying to see if a person is either a Trinitarian or a Unitarian so you can accept them or reject them.

                I am searching the scriptures to see whether the scriptures teach what the churches say it teaches to see whether a doctrine should be accepted or rejected.

                Can you see the difference?
                I don't reject people because of their beliefs. Knowing their beliefs helps me to see if I can show them the truth. I don't reject people but God will. And yes I understand why you are searching.
                He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                Jim Elliot

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                  I don't reject people because of their beliefs. Knowing their beliefs helps me to see if I can show them the truth.
                  Where are you finding your truth?
                  I am finding my truth in scriptures.

                  Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                  I don't reject people but God will.
                  You are fortunate that He will not reject you because you are a Trinitarian, a Binitarian, or a Unitarian.
                  God has other standards that you must fail to meet before you will be rejected.

                  Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                  And yes I understand why you are searching.
                  I asked if you knew the difference, not the reason I search the scriptures.

                  As for the reason to search the scriptures, that is also found in the Bible.

                  John 5:39
                  39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.



                  Acts 17:10-11
                  10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
                  11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

                  Learn to read what is written.

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                  The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                  ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                    Where are you finding your truth?
                    I am finding my truth in scriptures.


                    You are fortunate that He will not reject you because you are a Trinitarian, a Binitarian, or a Unitarian.
                    God has other standards that you must fail to meet before you will be rejected.


                    I asked if you knew the difference, not the reason I search the scriptures.

                    As for the reason to search the scriptures, that is also found in the Bible.

                    John 5:39
                    39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.



                    Acts 17:10-11
                    10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
                    11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
                    Good Post!
                    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                    Jim Elliot

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
                      Tell me what in the Torah needs criticism and we can talk.
                      There are plenty of errors in the Torah aside from the obvious exaggerations about the history of the so called Israelites which are in truth an amalgamation of the remnants of Moses's followers and the Canaanites. You can start a thread and we can hash it out but I can tell you buy into the nationalistic pride of the Jewish people so............

                      "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                        From your posts you seem to be Unitarian.
                        Is there really a difference? Unitarians claim there is one God and trinitarians claim there is one God.

                        What difference does it make if the one God is one person or three persons? Neither is true according to NT scripture.

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                        • #42
                          Matthew 28:18-20
                          18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

                          From what I read, it is and taught by Jesus.

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                          .....To You, O LORD, I lift up my soul.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by jamie View Post
                            Is there really a difference? Unitarians claim there is one God and trinitarians claim there is one God.

                            What difference does it make if the one God is one person or three persons? Neither is true according to NT scripture.

                            Unitarians do not claim the deity of Jesus.
                            He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                            Jim Elliot

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Psalmist View Post
                              Matthew 28:18-20
                              18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

                              From what I read, it is and taught by Jesus.


                              Great scripture post, Psalmist !!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                                Yes, I remember now that you are anti Trinity also. I guess all the anti Trins end up on TOL because TOL lets you post here. All other Christian forums will ban you. Fortunately you haven't convinced any true believers of your false teachings.
                                Wait until LA makes one of her death predictions about you. It's a real treat.

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