The Trinity

[Apple7]

Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?


Who created us?

Who created the World?

• God The Father (Psalm 102.25; Heb 1.2)
• God The Son (John 1.3; Col 1.16; Heb 1.8 – 10)
• God The Spirit (Gen 1.2; Job 33.4; Psalm 104.30)

 

[Apple7]

Jesus says when I see him I can say, "I see the Father".

You say no.

The same One God.

 

[Apple7]

If they are all different and not each other, as you say, then that makes three different Gods. That is what you say.

We do not have three different Gods.

3 Persons; 1 Being.

Look at my avatar.

 

[Apple7]

Technically, that passage says that God has the names of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

No.

Only one Name is mentioned.

That passage equally supports the Oneness View.

Not at all, as separate referents are in view.

That passage does nothing to define a Trinity. What you are doing is taking an extra-biblical definition and trying to find passages to paste on top of it. That's classic eisigesis. And worse yet, they don't even prove what you claim they do.

Mat 28.19 defines The Trinity formula rather nicely.

This passage contains arthrous substantives connected via kai which indicates distinction and separate referents.

However, while distinction is made between the referents, each has the same singular name.

Three Persons in one Being.

If you want to say that God's name includes Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Jesus, Holy, first and the last, beginning and the end, Alpha and Omega, Lord of Hosts, LORD Jehovah, LORD our Righteousness, Lion of Judah, Lamb of God, Son of Man, Word of God, and God Almighty, you can demonstrate each of those from scripture. That doesn't prove a doctrine of Trinity, it doesn't prove a doctrine of Sexdecinity (Sixteen in One).

God is not 16 in 1, so why would you want to assume a straw-man in the first place?

I would have more respect for your arguments if they remained rational. Here, try this. Start with defining your terms. State where it is derived, get agreement of the definitions, then proceed. Don't continue while there are grey areas unless you are willing to concede those areas.

We lost count of how many prior arguments you ran away from...

 

[Apple7]

I do not lie. Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Son.

That is not contained in scripture.

That would be a figment of your imagination...

 

[Apple7]

There is no example of this formula being used in the NT.

I already provided two, external this this one.

Our eternal life is in the Son. He who has the Son has life.

John 3.15 - 18


ινα πας ο πιστευων εν αυτω εχη ζωην αιωνιον ουτως γαρ γαπησεν ο θεος τον κοσμον ωστε τον υιον τον μονογενη εδωκεν ινα πας ο πιστευων εις αυτον μη αποληται αλλ εχη ζωην αιωνιον ου γαρ απεστειλεν ο θεος τον υιον εις τον κοσμον ινα κρινη τον κοσμον αλλ ινα σωθη ο κοσμος δι αυτου ο πιστευων εις αυτον ου κρινεται ο μη πιστευων ηδη κεκριται οτι μη πεπιστευκεν εις το ονομα του μονογενους υιου του θεου


Observe that ‘pisteuōn’ (believes) is repeated three times (Triune) in this address to the ones who take the singular name of the Son for eternal life.

Jesus’ Elect, the ones who worship Him as Triune, are the ones entering eternal life and escaping Judgment.

 

[God's Truth]

That is not contained in scripture.

That would be a figment of your imagination...

The Word was God and became flesh.

That is in the scriptures. That is scripture.

 

[Apple7]

You are a liar and a heretic. The bible does not teach that. You have been shown this multiple times.

His purpose now is to bang-out as many heretical posts as possible before being banned, again...

 

[God's Truth]

3 Persons; 1 Being.

Look at my avatar.

How do you get God the Father is a person?

 

[God's Truth]

His purpose now is to bang-out as many heretical posts as possible before being banned, again...

They banned Jesus and all his apostles. I am in good company.

 

[Apple7]

Jesus speaks to me.

Perhaps you are conversing with a demon in actuality..?

 

[Apple7]

I am saved. I have a powerful testimony, and you cannot take it from me.

You are dead.

 

[Apple7]

Anybody?

Anybody...what?

You want us to complete your argument for you?

 

[Apple7]

God is Spirit.

Jesus says that he is Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is Spirit.

We do NOT receive three different Spirits.

We receive ONE Spirit, and that One Spirit is God the Father, God the Father the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

But you are not in flesh, but in (en) Spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells (oikei) in you. But if anyone has (echei) not the Spirit of Christ, this one is not His. But if Christ is in (en) you, the body indeed is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of the One having raised Jesus from the dead dwells (oikei) in you, the One having raised the Christ from the dead will also make your mortal bodies live through the indwelling (enoikountos) of His Spirit in you. (Romans 8.9 – 11)

Locations of ‘oikei’:

• Romans 7.18
• Romans 8.9, 11 (Spirit of God dwells)
• 1 Cor 3.16 (Spirit of God dwelling)


Locations of ‘enoikountos’:

• Romans 8.11
• 2 Tim 1.14 (Holy Spirit dwells)


Romans 8.9 – 11 informs the reader that The Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) is separate from the Spirit of Christ by employing entirely different verbs in their description.

The Holy Spirit uses the verbs, ‘oikei’ & enoikountos’, meaning that a ‘cohabitation’ event is occurring. This is a literal Person-to-person event. The Holy Spirit resides within a person.

Contrasted to this is the Spirit of Christ, which is promoted via the preposition ‘en’ (in), and the verb ‘echei’, to have or hold.

 

[God's Truth]

Perhaps you are conversing with a demon in actuality..?

Don't you care about blasphemy?

 

[God's Truth]

You are dead.

I am dead to sin and alive living as Christ wants me to live.

 

[God's Truth]

Anybody...what?

You want us to complete your argument for you?

You want to give me your worthless opinions about me instead of talk about the scriptures.

 

[Apple7]

Don't you care about blasphemy?

You don't even take scripture serious enough to study it in the original languages, nor context.

What exactly would you know about blasphemy?

 

[Apple7]

I am dead to sin and alive living as Christ wants me to live.

No.

You are dead IN sin.

 

[God's Truth]

But you are not in flesh, but in (en) Spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells (oikei) in you. But if anyone has (echei) not the Spirit of Christ, this one is not His. But if Christ is in (en) you, the body indeed is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of the One having raised Jesus from the dead dwells (oikei) in you, the One having raised the Christ from the dead will also make your mortal bodies live through the indwelling (enoikountos) of His Spirit in you. (Romans 8.9 – 11)

Locations of ‘oikei’:

• Romans 7.18
• Romans 8.9, 11 (Spirit of God dwells)
• 1 Cor 3.16 (Spirit of God dwelling)


Locations of ‘enoikountos’:

• Romans 8.11
• 2 Tim 1.14 (Holy Spirit dwells)


Romans 8.9 – 11 informs the reader that The Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) is separate from the Spirit of Christ by employing entirely different verbs in their description.

The Holy Spirit uses the verbs, ‘oikei’ & enoikountos’, meaning that a ‘cohabitation’ event is occurring. This is a literal Person-to-person event. The Holy Spirit resides within a person.

Contrasted to this is the Spirit of Christ, which is promoted via the preposition ‘en’ (in), and the verb ‘echei’, to have or hold.

You can look to dictionaries that give meanings picked out from mistaken men, but I will believe what the Bible says.

THERE. IS. ONLY. ONE. SPIRIT.

Since there is only one Spirit, tell me how you say the Spirit of God is different than the Spirit of Christ?