heir
TOL Subscriber
We weren't saved by anything that we did, why would you think we can be unsaved by anything that we have done?
sin/sins is not the issue today!
- Thread starter heir
- Start date
heir
TOL Subscriber
It's pretty simple to show someone by the scriptures that they are sinners, the wages of sin and the good news that will save them from the wrath to come.
Ask Mr. Religion
☞☞☞☞Presbyterian (PCA) 	
Gold Subscriber
LIFETIME MEMBER
Hall of Fame
Impossible, unless one wants to redefine the very word "regeneration" to mean "business as usual". :AMR:
AMR
glorydaz
Well-known member
Yes, it's simple to show them, but that certainly doesn't mean they will see....or even want to see. There has to be a need that is recognized by the one being shown. First the person has to realize they are drowning.....
glorydaz
Well-known member
Yep, "and such were some of you". All things are become new really does mean something.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
j4jesus09
New member
Isn't unbelief a sympton of sin, missing the mark?
Dan Emanuel
Active member
We are told to "mortify" though. Also. Colossians 3:5 KJVYep, "and such were some of you". All things are become new really does mean something.2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
So it must somehow be both, right?
Daniel
1.0
j4jesus09
New member
Through the renewing of the mind which is becoming like Christ we want to mortify the flesh. How would we know how to mortify the flesh once being born again without instructions? We must be taught.
glorydaz
Well-known member
It's the Spirit. We through the Spirit. The Spirit causes us to "will and do" His good pleasure. That is what HE performs in and through us. Which is why boasting is excluded (in spite of what God's UNtruth claims).
Romans 8:13-14
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
j4jesus09
New member
I agree. God has given us His spirit to work in us to do good. You know, it's the Spirit that leads us to understand this. We should all be in one accord with these things. This is a one sign that one has truly understood their salvation. Some are saved but haven't come to quite the mature understanding of how they have been saved as God hasn't revealed it in detail. The enemy is fighting hard against the truth. God is able!
Dan Emanuel
Active member
Jerry Shugart
Well-known member
Daniel, that is exactly right.
According to glorydaz when a Christian is saved he automatically becomes dead to sin.
But she has no intelligent answer as to why Paul would tell us to put to death the sins he mentioned if we were already dead to sin.
She also has no answer of to what is the source of the defilement mentioned here that stains Christians:
"Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God" (2 Cor.7:1).
j4jesus09
New member
Because the Holy Spirit will guide us into these truths. Once we are saved what must we do? Once you are born again you know something is different! But you are still battling the flesh. The bible is our instruction manual. Once born again and given the Spirit of God the Holy spirit will teach you how to live these things out. Yes, the bible does say once you are saved you are dead to sin and that is the ultimate truth that you grow into, but this is a process not an overall mindset from day 1. A born again believer will show lots of progess from day 1 to day 365. God didn't ask you to be Jesus in one day. It's growth.
glorydaz
Well-known member
Yes, it does, so why don't you believe it? You might not feel dead to sin, but it's a fact because God said it is.
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
We "grow into" being dead? Are we not crucified with Christ? Are we slowly crucified? I ask because Jerry seems to be trying to get you to believe that being dead to sin is a matter of slowly being made holy. That's his misunderstanding.
You're talking about our being conformed into the image of the Son. That is another matter, altogether.
Shasta
Well-known member
The same reason anyone would want to - because they love the pleasures of sin. I have known many who I believed were saved at one time in their lives but they yielded to temptation and began living in sin. We can say things like that ought not to be but all to often they are.
Shasta
Well-known member
So a person could be saved and exhibit no change whatsoever. This is not a good testimony to the changing power of the Holy Spirit. If we were to speak this antinomian gospel openly and honestly we give an invitation like this "Say the sinners prayer, believe in Jesus and then you can do anything you want however often you want." I am sure many would respond to such an offer. It is so much like the broad easy highway that leads to destruction rather than the straight and narrow way that leads to life.
However, in the word faith in Christ is incompatible with a life of sin.
The way Paul taught turning AWAY from sin (repentance) and turning TO Christ (in faith) are opposite sides of the very same coin. Therefore, one cannot put their faith in Christ without departing from a lifestyle of sin.
John acknowledged this in his first Epistle
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God (1 John 3:9 ).
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God (1 John 3:9 ESV).
In Greek these highlighted words refer not to committing sins but to living a lifestyle of sin. John wrote this letter to combat the Gnostics who among other things went around claiming to be sons of God in a special way, even while living in immorality. John says the mark of a believer is that they walk in the light and not in darkness.
When someone comes to me saying they have been saved but nothing has changed I assume they have not been. When a person is born again a radical change process begins.
So, you're the one who decides if a believer is changed enough to pass your test?
A "True Believer" receives the "Righteousness of Christ" when they
become a member of the Body of Christ.
become a member of the Body of Christ.
When the Holy Spirit seals, indwells, and baptizes a "True Believer"
into the Body of Christ, it is a, Spiritual act performed on the believer.
It is done "within" that person. Just because YOU can't see it, doesn't
mean it hasn't transpired.
into the Body of Christ, it is a, Spiritual act performed on the believer.
It is done "within" that person. Just because YOU can't see it, doesn't
mean it hasn't transpired.
Shasta,
You expect people to act as you think they ought to act?
You expect people to act as you think they ought to act?