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  • #16
    pate

    Faith counts for righteousness. NOT WORKS.
    Faith is a Work of the Law, its something required of man to do Matt 23:23

    23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    So Faith is not a saved mans righteousness, Christ is, the object of his Faith is his Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

    30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

    So you are trusting in your faith as your righteousness, and unfortunatley not Christ as your righteousness, the object of Faith !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    • #17
      Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
      pate



      Faith is a Work of the Law, its something required of man to do Matt 23:23

      23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

      So Faith is not a saved mans righteousness, Christ is, the object of his Faith is his Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

      30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

      So you are trusting in your faith as your righteousness, and unfortunatley not Christ as your righteousness, the object of Faith !
      I have never taught that we are saved by our faith.

      What I have taught is that we are saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus.

      Faith is what makes the Gospel ours.

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      • #18
        pate

        I have never taught that we are saved by our faith.
        You said your faith is your righteousness !

        pate:

        Faith counts for righteousness. NOT WORKS.
        "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
        preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
        called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
        a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

        Charles Spurgeon !

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        • #19
          Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
          pate



          You said your faith is your righteousness !

          pate:

          You are dull of hearing because you don't want the truth.

          The Bible says that faith is counted for righteousness, Romans 4:5.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
            You are dull of hearing because you don't want the truth.

            The Bible says that faith is counted for righteousness, Romans 4:5.
            Ok you believe that your faith is counted as righteousness, and not Christ! That's the difference between you and I, Christ is my Righteousness, the object of my Faith !
            "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
            preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
            called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
            a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

            Charles Spurgeon !

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            • #21
              Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
              Ok you believe that your faith is counted as righteousness, and not Christ! That's the difference between you and I, Christ is my Righteousness, the object of my Faith !

              Take a deep breath and try to open your closed mind.

              Romans 4:5 says, "But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly (here it comes) HIS FAITH IS COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS"

              Did you get that? Faith is counted for righteousness.

              The reason that faith is counted for righteousness is because it is our faith that brings us into union with Christ who is our righteousness.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
                You refuse to debate justification because you have nothing to debate with.
                Already answered (Post #2).

                Back to Post #12 above.

                You place Catholicism over the Bible and even over the Gospel.
                You place Pate-ism over the Bible and even over the Gospel.



                Gaudium de veritate,

                Cruciform
                +T+
                "The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cruciform View Post
                  Already answered (Post #2).

                  Back to Post #12 above.



                  You place Pate-ism over the Bible and even over the Gospel.



                  Gaudium de veritate,

                  Cruciform
                  +T+

                  You are an unfortunate person.

                  You have gone down to the city dump to find pearls and precious gems, when all of the time they were in your pocket.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
                    Take a deep breath and try to open your closed mind.

                    Romans 4:5 says, "But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly (here it comes) HIS FAITH IS COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS"

                    Did you get that? Faith is counted for righteousness.

                    The reason that faith is counted for righteousness is because it is our faith that brings us into union with Christ who is our righteousness.
                    So you see the difference ? You say God counts mans faith as righteousness, True Believers know that God counts Christ as Our Righteousness, who is the Object of Our Spirit given Faith ! He was revealed to Our Spirit given Faith as Our Righteousness !

                    Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 and not in the natural man ! The natural man cannot please God Rom 8:8 which Faith does Heb 11:6 !

                    All for whom Christ Lived and died for, He Himself Believed for them first of all !
                    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                    Charles Spurgeon !

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                      So you see the difference ? You say God counts mans faith as righteousness, True Believers know that God counts Christ as Our Righteousness, who is the Object of Our Spirit given Faith ! He was revealed to Our Spirit given Faith as Our Righteousness !

                      Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 and not in the natural man ! The natural man cannot please God Rom 8:8 which Faith does Heb 11:6 !

                      All for whom Christ Lived and died for, He Himself Believed for them first of all !

                      You are insulting Christianity by saying that Jesus believes for us.

                      All of those that were burned at the stake because of their witness for Christ and his Gospel, will condemn you in the judgment.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
                        You are insulting Christianity by saying that Jesus believes for us.

                        All of those that were burned at the stake because of their witness for Christ and his Gospel, will condemn you in the judgment.
                        You the one teaching that God counts mans faith as his righteousness ! I teach that God counts Christ as mans righteousness, if He died for them !
                        "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                        preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                        called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                        a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                        Charles Spurgeon !

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                          You the one teaching that God counts mans faith as his righteousness ! I teach that God counts Christ as mans righteousness, if He died for them !

                          "Faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

                          This righteousness is to our account. We don't have it yet.

                          There is only one righteousness that is imputed to us because of our faith, it is the righteousness of Christ.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
                            "Faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

                            This righteousness is to our account. We don't have it yet.

                            There is only one righteousness that is imputed to us because of our faith, it is the righteousness of Christ.
                            Again, you believe that mans faith is his righteousness, True Believers believe Christ is Our Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

                            30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption
                            "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                            preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                            called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                            a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                            Charles Spurgeon !

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                              Again, you believe that mans faith is his righteousness, True Believers believe Christ is Our Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

                              30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption

                              The righteousness of Christ is not yours if you don't by your own free will believe in Jesus.

                              We receive the righteousness of Christ by faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
                                The righteousness of Christ is not yours if you don't by your own free will believe in Jesus.

                                We receive the righteousness of Christ by faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus.
                                Those Christ Lived for, kept the Law for are Righteous. Are you saying that someone who has obeyed God's Law perfectly is not Righteous ?

                                By the Obedience of One, Many are made Righteous Rom 5:19, now are you calling God a Liar ?
                                "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                                preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                                called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                                a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                                Charles Spurgeon !

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