First Sunday Sabbath Rest Law

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

PneumaPsucheSoma,
re: "And there's NO way to even know the exact original calendar to know when the Sabbath is. I don't care what anyone lies and says, there is NO way to know the calendar that was the original from creation or from any time since the Mosaic covenant."

No need to go back that far. The Sabbath that the Messiah honored was the Sabbath that his fellow countrymen used. If He had been honoring it on the incorrect day, then He would have been in violation of the Commandment and therefore not sinless. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, p. 740, article "Chronology" says: "It is to be noted that in the Christian period, the order of days in the week has never been interrupted." That would include the first day of the week as well as the Sabbath. If you have documentation that shows that the seven day cycle has been interrupted at some point between the first century and now I would very much like to see it.

I'm not sure why anyone would quote the Catholic Encyclopedia. Do you ascribe everything in the Catholic Encyclopedia as being correct and accurate?

There were multiple calendars in use during the time of Christ on earth. If you'd like to spend all your time and effort on determining earth solar days for Sabbath observance, you certainly have that option and privilege.

I'd simply encourage you to rigorously keep every last finite detail of the Sabbath so you're not a hyprocrite while preaching to others and becoming a cast-away yourself.

Good luck with that. I'll just rest in Christ... my Sabbath.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Sabbathtarians are as lost as lost can be so the only choice the unregerates have is to demand God to choose them while working and earning fake faith. They physically went to church on saturday and call God a fool if He don't choose them based on what they did on saturdays.
Lost lost and more lost

They're no worse off than many others with a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. It's pretty dismal these days.

 

[rstrats]

PneumaPsucheSoma,
re: "I'm not sure why anyone would quote the Catholic Encyclopedia. Do you ascribe everything in the Catholic Encyclopedia as being correct and accurate?"

With regard to doctrinal statements, no. But I think their historical statements are worth a consideration.

Same as the ones below:

"The week of seven days has been in use ever since the days of the Mosaic dispensation, and we have no reason for supposing that any irregularities have existed in the succession of weeks and their days from that time to the present." --Dr. W.W. Campbell, Statement. [Dr. Campbell was Director of Lick Observatory, Mt. Hamilton, California.]

"As far as I know, in the various changes of the Calendar there has been no change in the seven day rota of the week, which has come down from very early times." --F.W. Dyson, Personal letter, dated March 4, 1932. [Dr. Dyson was Astronomer Royal, Royal Observatory, Greenwich, London.]

"As to Question (1)--I can only state that in connection with the proposed simplification of the calendar, we have had occasion to investigate the results of the works of specialists in chronology and we have never found one of them that has ever had the slightest doubt the continuity of the weekly cycle since long before the Christian era.

"As to Question (2) --There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle of the week." --James robertson, personal letter, dated March 12, 1932. [Dr. robertson was Director of the American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C.]

"In spite of all of our dickerings with the calendar, it is patent that the human race never lost the septenary [seven-day] sequence of week days and that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, through the ages, without a single lapse." --Dr. Totten, Statement. [Dr. Totten of New Haven, Connecticut, was Professor of Astronomy at Yale University when this statement was made.]

Again, if you have documentation that supports your assertion that the seven day cycle has been interrupted at some point between the first century and now I would very much like to see it.

 

[rstrats]

PneumaPsucheSoma,
re: "I'd simply encourage you to rigorously keep every last finite detail of the Sabbath so you're not a hyprocrite"

What have I asserted that would make me a hypocrite for not keeping "every last finite detail of the Sabbath"?

 

[CherubRam]

Scripture is clear that Jesus is the all in all, and that the law ceased in Him. He personified the righteousness that was in the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants.

Christians are not prohibited from keeping the Sabbath observance from the heart, nor any other holy day. But there's no requirement to keep the Sabbath day in the New Covenant.

The biggest issue for today is the virtual impossibility of keeping the Sabbath in modern culture. It isn't just an observance of a day. It's a complete lifestyle change for one day each week. No transportation. No cooking. No utility usage. Many, many things that it's very difficult to apply in total abstinence and rest.

And there's NO way to even know the exact original calendar to know when the Sabbath is. I don't care what anyone lies and says, there is NO way to know the calendar that was the original from creation or from any time since the Mosaic covenant.

I doubt you or anyone else is actually rigorously observing the Sabbath beyond observing the day of the week and a handful of practices. And NOBODY is observing the actual Sabbath, because nobody can know exactly when the Sabbath occurs on a calendar that has been lost to us.

Since Christ IS the Sabbath (just as He is the High Priest, Final Sacrifice, Temple, Promised Land, and Law Fulfilled/Ceased/Personified), I simply rest in Him. I've put on Christ, just as scripture commands. I've ceased from my own works, including all the work of observing a law-based earth solar day that is impossible to keep anyway.

Do as you will. How, exactly do YOU keep the Sabbath (including what provisions for total rest with no work)?

And what "Sabbath" are you keeping on what calendar?

The New Testament shows that the new Gentile converts were attending Sabbath services with the rest of the Jews. That is why it was not an issue. Hundreds of years later the Pagans had the Sabbath changed to Sunday. Christ said he did not come to do away with the law. You are saying things that are not true scripturally. By the way, we do not live under the old priesthood authority.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

The New Testament shows that the new Gentile converts were attending Sabbath services with the rest of the Jews. That is why it was not an issue. Hundreds of years later the Pagans had the Sabbath changed to Sunday. Christ said he did not come to do away with the law. You are saying things that are not true scripturally. By the way, we do not live under the old priesthood authority.

Hey, feel free to attempt to keep some earth solar day in whatever manner you choose.

And I never said anything about Christ having done away with the law. He fulfilled it. It's personified in Him. He is the righteousness of God, just as the law WAS. I fulfill Christ as He keeps me.

I've ceased from my own works, and am in the timeless everlasting rest of being hypostatically translated into Christ.

If you understood the ontological Gospel, you'd know what I'm saying.

 

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He does however say that he is Lord of the seventh day Sabbath. Shouldn't Christians keep his seventh day Sabbath?

new dispensation came in with Paul being sent to the gentiles
no Christians do not have to keep the sabbath or be circumcised.

Act 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:
Act 15:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled,
and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."

 

[Puppet]

They're no worse off than many others with a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. It's pretty dismal these days.

Religion for profit. They tell you you must tithe and then after that, have a rabbi to calculate your days for gatherings at the building you paid for, including rabbi's new car. They worship moses instead of jesus.

 

[CherubRam]

new dispensation came in with Paul being sent to the gentiles
no Christians do not have to keep the sabbath or be circumcised.

Act 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:
Act 15:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled,
and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."

Sabbath Judaizers
The Council of Laodicea of around 365 AD decreed 59 laws, #29:
"Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ."



Pisidian Antioch in the Roman Empire
Acts 13
13 From Paphos, Paul and his companions sailed to Perga in Pamphylia, where John left them to return to Jerusalem. 14 From Perga they went on to Pisidian Antioch. On the Sabbath they entered the synagogue and sat down. 15 After the reading from the Law and the Prophets, the leaders of the synagogue sent word to them, saying, “Brothers, if you have a word of exhortation for the people, please speak.”16 Standing up, Paul motioned with his hand and said: “Fellow Israelites and you Gentiles who worship God, listen to me!

44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. 45 When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on him.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.

48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

The first Gentile converts kept the Sabbath, and so therefore it was not an issue.

 

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Pisidian Antioch in the Roman Empire
Acts 13
13 From Paphos, Paul and his companions sailed to Perga in Pamphylia, where John left them to return to Jerusalem. 14 From Perga they went on to Pisidian Antioch. On the Sabbath they entered the synagogue and sat down. 15 After the reading from the Law and the Prophets, the leaders of the synagogue sent word to them, saying, “Brothers, if you have a word of exhortation for the people, please speak.”16 Standing up, Paul motioned with his hand and said: “Fellow Israelites and you Gentiles who worship God, listen to me!

44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. 45 When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on him.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.

48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

The first Gentile converts kept the Sabbath, and so therefore it was not an issue.

The first Gentile converts were proselytes.

Act 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.


new dispensation came in with Paul being sent to the gentiles
James was not OK with non proselyte gentiles

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles:
but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

 

[rstrats]

way 2 go,

By referrencing Acts 15:28 -29 are you suggesting that the Council's decree exempts Gentiles from keeping the Ten Commandments - well, with the exception of the seventh (sixth if your RC) of course?

 

[CherubRam]

The first Gentile converts were proselytes.

Act 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.


new dispensation came in with Paul being sent to the gentiles
James was not OK with non proselyte gentiles

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles:
but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

This thread is about the Sabbath, not circumcision.

The biblical term "proselyte" is an anglicization of the Koine Greek term προσήλυτος/proselytos, as used in the Greek Old Testament for "stranger", i.e. a "newcomer to Israel"; a "sojourner in the land", and in the Greek New Testament for a first century convert to Judaism, generally from Ancient Greek religion. It is a translation of the Biblical Hebrew phrase גר תושב/ ger toshav.


Judaize

YLT
Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they are not walking uprightly to the truth of the good news, I said to Peter before all, `If thou, being a Jew, in the manner of the nations dost live, and not in the manner of the Jews, how the nations dost thou compel to Judaize?


Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they were not walking uprightly according to the truth of the good news, I said to Peter before everyone, If you, being a Jew live in the manner of the nations, and not in the manner of the Jews, then how will you compel the nations to Judaize?

 

[way 2 go]

The biblical term "proselyte" is an anglicization of the Koine Greek term προσήλυτος/proselytos, as used in the Greek Old Testament for "stranger", i.e. a "newcomer to Israel"; a "sojourner in the land", and in the Greek New Testament for a first century convert to Judaism, generally from Ancient Greek religion. It is a translation of the Biblical Hebrew phrase גר תושב/ ger toshav.


Judaize

YLT
Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they are not walking uprightly to the truth of the good news, I said to Peter before all, `If thou, being a Jew, in the manner of the nations dost live, and not in the manner of the Jews, how the nations dost thou compel to Judaize?


Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they were not walking uprightly according to the truth of the good news, I said to Peter before everyone, If you, being a Jew live in the manner of the nations, and not in the manner of the Jews, then how will you compel the nations to Judaize?

Act 6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas,
and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:

This thread is about the Sabbath, not circumcision.

So you want us to live like Jews except for circumcision.

Act 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:
Act 15:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled,
and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."

 

[way 2 go]

way 2 go,

By referrencing Acts 15:28 -29 are you suggesting that the Council's decree exempts Gentiles from keeping the Ten Commandments - well, with the exception of the seventh (sixth if your RC) of course?

the councils decree was gentiles do not have to live as Jews

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles:
but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision

 

[CherubRam]

Act 6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas,
and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:



So you want us to live like Jews except for circumcision.

Act 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:
Act 15:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled,
and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."

I want people to live like the original Christians, not like the Pagan Christians whom came later. They killed the Judaic Christians and the burned the original scriptures, and they replaced them with their own versions.

 

[rstrats]

way 2 go,
re: "the councils decree was gentiles do not have to live as Jews"

That is not responsive to my question. The question is: "Are you saying that Acts 15:28-29 means that except for adultry that the gentiles were exempt from the requirement to observe the ten commandments?"

 

[way 2 go]

re: "the councils decree was gentiles do not have to live as Jews"

That is not responsive to my question. The question is: "Are you saying that Acts 15:28-29 means that except for adultry that the gentiles were exempt from the requirement to observe the ten commandments?"

i did respond to your question

the councils decree was gentiles do not have to live as Jews

Act 15:5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."

....

Act 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

 

[rstrats]

way 2 go,
re: "i did respond to your question"

The question was: "Are you saying that Acts 15:28-29 means that except for adultry that the gentiles were exempt from the requirement to observe the ten commandments?" That's a yes or no question. You haven't answered it.

re: "Act 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?"

Are you saying that means that they or their fathers were not able to bear not having other gods, not making gaven images, not misusing the name of the supreme being, not resting on the seventh day, not dishonoring their parents, not murdering, not stealing, not bearing false witness and not coveting?

 

[way 2 go]

way 2 go,
re: "i did respond to your question"

The question was: "Are you saying that Acts 15:28-29 means that except for adultry that the gentiles were exempt from the requirement to observe the ten commandments?" That's a yes or no question. You haven't answered it.

re: "Act 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?"

Are you saying that means that they or their fathers were not able to bear not having other gods, not making gaven images, not misusing the name of the supreme being, not resting on the seventh day, not dishonoring their parents, not murdering, not stealing, not bearing false witness and not coveting?