NOT A PEOPLE

DougE

Well-known member
Deuteronomy 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Those which "are not a people" are not the church today, the body of Christ. Neither are they Gentiles in the church today, the body of Christ.

Those which "are not a people", which are a "foolish nation", are the believing remnant of Israel (Matthew 21:43).

Hosea 1:9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.

1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

In the verses above Hosea clearly says it is the children of Israel in view. Hosea reveals that it is not the nation of Israel who are the true people of God, but rather, the believing remnant of Israel, the Israel of faith, who are the "people of God".

Israel and Judah were divided. In Hosea 1:11 it is said that the children of Judah and the children of Israel will be gathered together and appoint themselves one head: this can be seen below in John 10:16. Jesus spoke of the gathering of the existing flock in Israel, and the scattered Jewish flock abroad; the uniting of these into one fold, with one Shepherd, the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Paul, in Romans chapter 9 through 11 speaks of the remnant of Israel, not the church, the body of Christ.

Romans 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

The remnant of Israel consisted not only of Jews, but believing Gentiles. This remnant would enter into the kingdom on earth.

9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Paul is citing from Hosea 1:10.

9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

The believing people of Israel will be called "children".

9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

It is clear from this verse that Paul in Romans chapters 9 through 11 is dealing with the remnant of Israel. The Gentiles he spoke of are also part of the remnant of Israel. There is no substantiation in inserting the church today, the body of Christ, here and saying the Gentiles in the church today are grafted into Israel.

Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Last of all, here Paul is citing the opening verse of Deuteronomy 32:21 by which it is abundantly clear that Paul is dealing not with the body of Christ, the church today, but Israel. Paul in Romans through 11 is dealing with the remnant of Israel.
 

clefty

New member
Deuteronomy 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Those which "are not a people" are not the church today, the body of Christ. Neither are they Gentiles in the church today, the body of Christ.

Those which "are not a people", which are a "foolish nation", are the believing remnant of Israel (Matthew 21:43).

Hosea 1:9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.

1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

In the verses above Hosea clearly says it is the children of Israel in view. Hosea reveals that it is not the nation of Israel who are the true people of God, but rather, the believing remnant of Israel, the Israel of faith, who are the "people of God".

Israel and Judah were divided. In Hosea 1:11 it is said that the children of Judah and the children of Israel will be gathered together and appoint themselves one head: this can be seen below in John 10:16. Jesus spoke of the gathering of the existing flock in Israel, and the scattered Jewish flock abroad; the uniting of these into one fold, with one Shepherd, the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Paul, in Romans chapter 9 through 11 speaks of the remnant of Israel, not the church, the body of Christ.

Romans 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

The remnant of Israel consisted not only of Jews, but believing Gentiles. This remnant would enter into the kingdom on earth.

9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Paul is citing from Hosea 1:10.

9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

The believing people of Israel will be called "children".

9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

It is clear from this verse that Paul in Romans chapters 9 through 11 is dealing with the remnant of Israel. The Gentiles he spoke of are also part of the remnant of Israel. There is no substantiation in inserting the church today, the body of Christ, here and saying the Gentiles in the church today are grafted into Israel.

Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Last of all, here Paul is citing the opening verse of Deuteronomy 32:21 by which it is abundantly clear that Paul is dealing not with the body of Christ, the church today, but Israel. Paul in Romans through 11 is dealing with the remnant of Israel.

Not ALL the Jews were cut off for unbelief...MYRIADS believed and were still zealous for the Law...Acts 21: 20 these remain...and we are grafted in to MATCH THEM baring the SAME FRUIT...as even biological Law dictates successful grafts are between MORE similar fruit...family/genome and NOT Israel keeping the Law and Body of Christ insisting “NOT FOR ME” dividing His kingdom and squatting

NOT all Jews were cut off...those were JOINED with the Greeks a new citizen of Israel...no longer foreigners but JUST LIKE IN THE OT...ONE LAW for both...

ALL BY FAITH AND ADOPTION...there is NO bloodline of Israel...Jew is NOT a race nor a religion...

Sarah’s biological ancestry was DEAD...FINISHED...ONLY by Spiritual and DIVINE INTERVENTION did Abraham have descendants as she received an egg from Heaven...later Mary received the sperm...ALL DIVINE INTERVENTION

Jacob named by humans was RENAMED by Yah...Jacob DIED and was reborn Israel...again by ADOPTION from Divine Intervention...flesh to die profits NOTHING...reborn by FAITH and DIVINE INTERVENTION

Israel is SPIRITUAL ONLY...following a SPIRIT...with a SPIRITUAL LAW...to be restored to LIVE HOLY as HE IS...not in a house made of Zionist hands or a kingdom made by man on earth...but ONE from Heaven come down...NOT OF THIS WORLD...on earth as it is in Heaven...
 

chair

Well-known member
Ah, more cherry picking of verses to 'prove' your ideology.
Christianity has a hard time dealing with its Jewish roots. It's been 2,000 years- time to grow up and stop obsessing about it.
 
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