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    Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    This verse is often used in the context of proclaiming the gospel of salvation, but in the context of Romans 10 it is best viewed as being directed to Israel.

    The subject of Romans 10 is the salvation of Israel (Romans 10:1).

    While Paul acknowledges the church calling upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in 1 Corinthians 1:2 he does so in a descriptive sense and in accord with Psalm 145:18; his citations of calling upon the Lord found in Romans 10 are strictly in regard to the believing remnant of Israel.

    Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

    2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

    2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

    2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

    Peter was speaking to Israel in verse 14. Peter said in verse 16 that this occurrence was according to the prophet Joel (Joel 2:28-29). Peter quoted Joel 2:32 in Acts 2:21 in saying "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved".

    Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

    In Joel it can be read that "whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered", which means they would be delivered to enter the Davidic kingdom on earth (Isaiah 2:2-3 Psalm 22:28 Luke 1:32). In Joel 2:32, calling on the name of the Lord is speaking in regard to the believing remnant of Israel.

    Chapters 9, 10 and 11 of Romans are dealing with the salvation of Israel. The verses below in Romans further substantiate that Paul was speaking of the believing remnant of Israel and how calling on the Lord should therefore be viewed in this light.

    Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

    Romans 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

    9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

    9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

    9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

    Israel, as can be seen in the above verses, would be provoked to jealousy by a foolish nation who are not a people (Deuteronomy 32:21); this foolish nation is the believing remant of Israel comprised of both Jew and Gentile (Romans 10:12); the people who were not a people, but called the children of God, the people of God (Hosea 1:10 Hosea 2:23 1 Peter 2:9-10).

    Clearly, Romans 10:13 in speaking of calling on the name of the Lord is best applied to Israel.
    Last edited by DougE; November 23rd, 2019, 07:36 AM.

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    douge

    IS CALLING UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD ONLY FOR ISRAEL ?
    Yes, but not the israel you probably mean. The Israel Im speaking of is a Spiritual People comprised of both born again jews and gentiles. The Israel of God Gal 6:14-16


    14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

    15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

    16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    • #3
      Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
      douge



      Yes, but not the israel you probably mean. The Israel Im speaking of is a Spiritual People comprised of both born again jews and gentiles. The Israel of God Gal 6:14-16


      14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

      15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

      16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
      Paul does not refer to the believers in the body as the Israel of God but as a new creature wherein there is neither Jew or Greek, circumcision or uncircumcision Galatians 6:15

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DougE View Post

        Paul does not refer to the believers in the body as the Israel of God but as a new creature wherein there is neither Jew or Greek, circumcision or uncircumcision Galatians 6:15
        You sound confused to me.
        "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
        preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
        called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
        a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

        Charles Spurgeon !

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DougE View Post

          Paul does not refer to the believers in the body as the Israel of God but as a new creature wherein there is neither Jew or Greek, circumcision or uncircumcision Galatians 6:15
          It's almost surprising that folks like him cannot see that Paul refers to the body believers AND the Israel of God separately in that passage. But they have they doctrine that they must force upon the scripture.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DougE View Post

            Paul does not refer to the believers in the body as the Israel of God but as a new creature wherein there is neither Jew or Greek, circumcision or uncircumcision Galatians 6:15
            Hi and right on DougE !!

            dan p

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            • #7
              Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

              You sound confused to me.
              No you are conflating the new creature and the Israel of God. Paul is not saying the new creature is the Israel of God. He mentions the Israel of God as having peace and mercy being on them as well as to those walk according to the rule

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DougE View Post

                No you are conflating the new creature and the Israel of God. Paul is not saying the new creature is the Israel of God. He mentions the Israel of God as having peace and mercy being on them as well as to those walk according to the rule
                I have the slightest idea what you talking about.
                "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                Charles Spurgeon !

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                  I have the slightest idea what you talking about.
                  Here is what you originally said:

                  "Yes, but not the israel you probably mean. The Israel Im speaking of is a Spiritual People comprised of both born again jews and gentiles. The Israel of God Gal 6:14-16


                  14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

                  15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

                  16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God."


                  The body of Christ is a new creature NOT the Israel of God.

                  In verse 15 Paul is saying the only thing that availeth is a new creature.

                  In verse 16 Paul is simply saying peace and mercy be upon 2 groups
                  A) them
                  B) the Israel of God

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DougE View Post

                    Here is what you originally said:

                    "Yes, but not the israel you probably mean. The Israel Im speaking of is a Spiritual People comprised of both born again jews and gentiles. The Israel of God Gal 6:14-16


                    14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

                    15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

                    16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God."


                    The body of Christ is a new creature NOT the Israel of God.

                    In verse 15 Paul is saying the only thing that availeth is a new creature.

                    In verse 16 Paul is simply saying peace and mercy be upon 2 groups
                    A) them
                    B) the Israel of God
                    I know what I said, after all I posted it
                    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                    Charles Spurgeon !

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                      I know what I said, after all I posted it

                      I was only going back and starting all over since you didn't understand my response
                      BELOW IS MY RESPONSE which you apparently missed seeing

                      The body of Christ is a new creature NOT the Israel of God.

                      In verse 15 Paul is saying the only thing that availeth is a new creature.

                      In verse 16 Paul is simply saying peace and mercy be upon 2 groups
                      A) them
                      B) the Israel of God

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DougE View Post


                        I was only going back and starting all over since you didn't understand my response
                        BELOW IS MY RESPONSE which you apparently missed seeing

                        The body of Christ is a new creature NOT the Israel of God.

                        In verse 15 Paul is saying the only thing that availeth is a new creature.

                        In verse 16 Paul is simply saying peace and mercy be upon 2 groups
                        A) them
                        B) the Israel of God
                        The them and the Israel of God are the same ! Israel of God is a characterization of the them !
                        "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                        preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                        called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                        a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                        Charles Spurgeon !

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DougE View Post
                          Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

                          This verse is often used in the context of proclaiming the gospel of salvation, but in the context of Romans 10 it is best viewed as being directed to Israel.

                          The subject of Romans 10 is the salvation of Israel (Romans 10:1).

                          While Paul acknowledges the church calling upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in 1 Corinthians 1:2 he does so in a descriptive sense and in accord with Psalm 145:18; his citations of calling upon the Lord found in Romans 10 are strictly in regard to the believing remnant of Israel.

                          Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

                          2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

                          2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

                          2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

                          Peter was speaking to Israel in verse 14. Peter said in verse 16 that this occurrence was according to the prophet Joel (Joel 2:28-29). Peter quoted Joel 2:32 in Acts 2:21 in saying "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved".

                          Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

                          In Joel it can be read that "whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered", which means they would be delivered to enter the Davidic kingdom on earth (Isaiah 2:2-3 Psalm 22:28 Luke 1:32). In Joel 2:32, calling on the name of the Lord is speaking in regard to the believing remnant of Israel.

                          Chapters 9, 10 and 11 of Romans are dealing with the salvation of Israel. The verses below in Romans further substantiate that Paul was speaking of the believing remnant of Israel and how calling on the Lord should therefore be viewed in this light.

                          Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

                          Romans 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

                          9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

                          9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

                          9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

                          Israel, as can be seen in the above verses, would be provoked to jealousy by a foolish nation who are not a people (Deuteronomy 32:21); this foolish nation is the believing remant of Israel comprised of both Jew and Gentile (Romans 10:12); the people who were not a people, but called the children of God, the people of God (Hosea 1:10 Hosea 2:23 1 Peter 2:9-10).

                          Clearly, Romans 10:13 in speaking of calling on the name of the Lord is best applied to Israel.
                          Why do you keep going against what is written?

                          ALL WHO CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.

                          What is the name of the Lord?

                          Jesus is the name of the Lord.


                          Romans 10:13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."


                          Is that just to the Jews? NO.


                          Romans 9:24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

                          Romans 3:29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,
                          Oh how I love the Word of God!

                          Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DougE View Post


                            I was only going back and starting all over since you didn't understand my response
                            BELOW IS MY RESPONSE which you apparently missed seeing

                            The body of Christ is a new creature NOT the Israel of God.

                            In verse 15 Paul is saying the only thing that availeth is a new creature.

                            In verse 16 Paul is simply saying peace and mercy be upon 2 groups
                            A) them
                            B) the Israel of God
                            Jesus is the Israel of God.

                            And all who are put in Jesus are the body of Israel.

                            Exodus 4:22 Then say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,

                            Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

                            Galatians 6:16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule--to the Israel of God.


                            Look at that, Paul said that to GENTILES.
                            Oh how I love the Word of God!

                            Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

                              Jesus is the Israel of God.

                              And all who are put in Jesus are the body of Israel.

                              Exodus 4:22 Then say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,

                              Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

                              Galatians 6:16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule--to the Israel of God.


                              Look at that, Paul said that to GENTILES.
                              Jesus is God's Son, not Israel.
                              He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                              Jim Elliot

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