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    Originally posted by Yazichestvo View Post

    Freelight, I see you seem to speak well of these papers, and that makes me interested. However, this whole thing has the scent of newness on it, and as you can imagine of someone as theologically old-fashioned as myself, I'm skeptical religions that just pop up after millienia of ignorance.

    Hi Yaz,

    The UB is an epochal revelation of significance, among others in this dispensation - it uses the knowledge-base of humanity at that time from the field of religion, science and philosophy(1930's) and expands upon it, appropriate to what the revelators deemed adequate for what man had the capacity to receive and benefit from. - such is the nature of an "epochal revelation". The Urantia Papers are the 5th epochal revelation to the planet. Man receives more knowledge commensurate with his evolution.

    One has adequate info. to work with in our charter thread Here. Read that entire thread and this one, make use of the resources, do the reading....and we can discuss in the context of 'creative dialogue', which is what this space is for,....exploring, researching, discovering, engaging.

    Gods relationship to the individual

    5:0.1 If the finite mind of man is unable to comprehend how so great and so majestic a God as the Universal Father can descend from his eternal abode in infinite perfection to fraternize with the individual human creature, then must such a finite intellect rest assurance of divine fellowship upon the truth of the fact that an actual fragment of the living God resides within the intellect of every normal-minded and morally conscious Urantia mortal. The indwelling Thought Adjusters are a part of the eternal Deity of the Paradise Father. Man does not have to go farther than his own inner experience of the soul' s contemplation of this spiritual-reality presence to find God and attempt communion with him.

    ~*~*~

    As we've shared already, the presence of the Thought Adjuster is essential to the evolving personality of man within his soul-complex....the inter-relations of the mortal with the divine spirit.




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    • Hi Paul

      Originally posted by freelight View Post
      The UB is an epochal revelation of significance, among others in this dispensation - it uses the knowledge-base of humanity at that time from the field of religion, science and philosophy(1930's) and expands upon it, appropriate to what the revelators deemed adequate for what man had the capacity to receive and benefit from.
      Which does indicate that the UB is now out-of-date.
      One thing that I find perplexing about the UB structure is how self-referential it is in terms of its overarching paradigm. That paradigm may well reflect the consciousness of the 1930s - 1950s more than it does the consciousness of its initiators.

      Having said that - even today, the entire release provides a new way to approach the philosophy of ultimate concern, the religious experience and, (especially), Jesus; a precious gift indeed for those who have become disenchanted with, (and even fearful of), the churches after lifetimes of bondage to the ecclesiastical systems.

      Originally posted by freelight View Post

      Gods relationship to the individual

      5:0.1 If the finite mind of man is unable to comprehend how so great and so majestic a God as the Universal Father can descend from his eternal abode in infinite perfection to fraternize with the individual human creature, then must such a finite intellect rest assurance of divine fellowship upon the truth of the fact that an actual fragment of the living God resides within the intellect of every normal-minded and morally conscious Urantia mortal. The indwelling Thought Adjusters are a part of the eternal Deity of the Paradise Father. Man does not have to go farther than his own inner experience of the soul' s contemplation of this spiritual-reality presence to find God and attempt communion with him.

      ~*~*~

      As we've shared already, the presence of the Thought Adjuster is essential to the evolving personality of man within his soul-complex....the inter-relations of the mortal with the divine spirit.




      pj


      Yes, this is one place where we find a simultaneous similarity and divergence from the current Ascended Master schools teachings.

      The Thought Adjuster of the UB is very much akin to the Christ Self of the AM schools a-la 1930s-1990s. In this paradigm, the Thought Adjuster/Christ Self enables a spiritually evolving personality to align itself with the Logos and thence to come into oneness with the I AM Presence, this being consummated in the ascension.

      The new paradigm sees the Thought Adjuster/Christ Self as fulfilling an angelic role, allowing an inner frame of reference for the embodied conscious self... a frame of reference that makes the existence of a higher reality undeniable. The conscious self has identified itself as a limited mortal being but the Thought Adjuster/Christ Self acts as a catalyst for the conscious self to regain gnosis of its essential nature beyond the world of form. The I AM Presence then is indeed an evolving creation within the higher vibrations of the world of form - divine yet finite from the perspective of the world of form. The Conscious Self - the "Conscious You" as Mother Mary named this concept in 2004 through Kim Michaels - is the infinite extension of God Being beyond form yet focused for the I AM Presence and thence for the embodied soul.

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      • Originally posted by Yazichestvo View Post
        I doubt that would improve your understanding in any way.

        Freelight, I see you seem to speak well of these papers, and that makes me interested. However, this whole thing has the scent of newness on it, and as you can imagine of someone as theologically old-fashioned as myself, I'm skeptical religions that just pop up after millienia of ignorance.
        This is a common phenomenon, the idea that revelation or religious foundation could only have happened during the span of the Biblical ages, that our only reference point is the past age, that all things "new" must be filtered through "the past" to validate or not it's worth. That is precisely why the Bible is a layer cake of revelation and subsequent redaction, a convoluted story taken in its entirety.

        God is everywhere and every when.

        Caino

        "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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        • God won't violate His Word. When He reveals anything new, it will line up with and bring revelation to His Word. The UB does neither.
          "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

          If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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          • "But religious leaders are making a great mistake when they try to call modern man to spiritual battle with the trumpet blasts of the Middle Ages. Religion must provide itself with new and up-to-date slogans. Neither democracy nor any other political panacea will take the place of spiritual progress. False religions may represent an evasion of reality, but Jesus in his gospel introduced mortal man to the very entrance upon an eternal reality of spiritual progression."


            195.10.11 Christianity is seriously confronted with the doom embodied in one of its own slogans: “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” The non-Christian world will hardly capitulate to a sect-divided Christendom. The living Jesus is the only hope of a possible unification of Christianity. The true church — the Jesus brotherhood — is invisible, spiritual, and is characterized by unity, not necessarily by uniformity. Uniformity is the earmark of the physical world of mechanistic nature. Spiritual unity is the fruit of faith union with the living Jesus. The visible church should refuse longer to handicap the progress of the invisible and spiritual brotherhood of the kingdom of God. And this brotherhood is destined to become a living organism in contrast to an institutionalized social organization. It may well utilize such social organizations, but it must not be supplanted by them.



            Caino

            "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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            • Originally posted by freelight View Post
              Hi CM,

              Note that what Caino shared was from Paper 111, thats quite a ways into the entire Revelation. This is why I recommend beginning at the start with the Foreward and Paper 1(The Universal Father).

              Begin here - Urantia Book Online

              You can listen to the 'audio version'(as a link) above each chapter-section as you read along to enhance your learning. The Foreward covers a synopsis of the entire cosmology and common terminologies, preparing one for what later Papers expound in greater detail. Reading at least the first 10 - 12 papers is fundamental to understanding the Nature of 'God' and greater cosmic overlay and structure of the Universe of universes, from which the great evolutionary plan and destiny of life unfolds into eternity. One learns terms, meanings, values and context as he continues his reading. Its over 2,000 pages of info. so very extensively detailed.

              This is all covered in our 'Intro to the Urantia Papers' thread already, for those interested. - plus Papers 1 - 5 are copied there as well. After the preliminary readings,...one can read portions that interest one, but having knowledge of the terms in context of the cosmology and philosophical consistency of the tome is essential. One can also jump right into Part 4 on the life and teachings of Jesus, but having a knowledge/understanding of terms and cosmological context will enable one to understand who Jesus is and his bestowal-mission to our planet, according to the revelators. The fundamental religious truths, ethics and principles of classical/traditional theology are shared by the revelators...the essence of truth, goodness, beauty, love. These shine thru to the glory of God, the integrity of Spirit, sharing the 'gospel of the kingdom' in its greater cosmic significance, revealing Jesus in a new light, his role, personhood, humanity/divinity, the order of Sons he is a member of (Creator-Sons), etc. One has to do the reading/research for themselves to 'get an education' so to speak.

              There is an 'order' to things..............




              pj
              "But a cult — a symbolism of rituals, slogans, or goals — will not function if it is too complex. And there must be the demand for devotion, the response of loyalty. Every effective religion unerringly develops a worthy symbolism, and its devotees would do well to prevent the crystallization of such a ritual into cramping, deforming, and stifling stereotyped ceremonials which can only handicap and retard all social, moral, and spiritual progress. No cult can survive if it retards moral growth and fails to foster spiritual progress. The cult is the skeletal structure around which grows the living and dynamic body of personal spiritual experience — true religion."


              Caino

              "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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              • I Corinthians 4:20
                For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
                "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

                If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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                • Originally posted by Caino View Post


                  "But religious leaders are making a great mistake when they try to call modern man to spiritual battle with the trumpet blasts of the Middle Ages. Religion must provide itself with new and up-to-date slogans. Neither democracy nor any other political panacea will take the place of spiritual progress. False religions may represent an evasion of reality, but Jesus in his gospel introduced mortal man to the very entrance upon an eternal reality of spiritual progression."
                  Spiritual progress is key


                  195.10.11 Christianity is seriously confronted with the doom embodied in one of its own slogans: “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” The non-Christian world will hardly capitulate to a sect-divided Christendom. The living Jesus is the only hope of a possible unification of Christianity. The true church — the Jesus brotherhood — is invisible, spiritual, and is characterized by unity, not necessarily by uniformity. Uniformity is the earmark of the physical world of mechanistic nature. Spiritual unity is the fruit of faith union with the living Jesus. The visible church should refuse longer to handicap the progress of the invisible and spiritual brotherhood of the kingdom of God. And this brotherhood is destined to become a living organism in contrast to an institutionalized social organization. It may well utilize such social organizations, but it must not be supplanted by them.

                  Spiritual unity, communion and fellowship is essential, while 'structure' and 'organization' are to serve these ends being open to change and reformation as the Spirit leads.




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                    Originally posted by John Mortimer View Post
                    Hi Paul



                    Which does indicate that the UB is now out-of-date.


                    Hi John. Most of the planets religious texts and 'scripture' are way older than the UB. One could take the term 'out of date' as meaning 'obsolete', - I'm sure you didnt mean it that way,...as all inspired writings are to be taken for their meaning, value, integrity, spiritual worth, etc.

                    The UB is considered the latest and current 'epochal revelation' to this planet. It appears epochal revelations come around at least every few millennia(Jesus bestowal-mission being the last one) so this one is still comparatively 'fresh' (given 80 years ago)-

                    92:4.9 The Urantia Papers. The papers, of which this is one, constitute the most recent presentation of truth to the mortals of Urantia. These papers differ from all previous revelations, for they are not the work of a single universe personality but a composite presentation by many beings. But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia.


                    One thing that I find perplexing about the UB structure is how self-referential it is in terms of its overarching paradigm. That paradigm may well reflect the consciousness of the 1930s - 1950s more than it does the consciousness of its initiators.
                    Its an interesting tome indeed! The revelators used the knowledge of mankind and its terms at that time, only bringing in new concepts or words if necessary in their presentation. (see Foreword). In any case, once one 'gets' the basic terms, structure and cosmology they can integrate the greater picture of evolutionary progress and details of the path of eternal progression relative to the soul's journey. - while the UB has its own peculiar nuances and nomenclature, its universal knowledge is consonant with human experience in every all fields of knowledge.

                    Having said that - even today, the entire release provides a new way to approach the philosophy of ultimate concern, the religious experience and, (especially), Jesus; a precious gift indeed for those who have become disenchanted with, (and even fearful of), the churches after lifetimes of bondage to the ecclesiastical systems.
                    Indeed.



                    Yes, this is one place where we find a simultaneous similarity and divergence from the current Ascended Master schools teachings.

                    The Thought Adjuster of the UB is very much akin to the Christ Self of the AM schools a-la 1930s-1990s. In this paradigm, the Thought Adjuster/Christ Self enables a spiritually evolving personality to align itself with the Logos and thence to come into oneness with the I AM Presence, this being consummated in the ascension.

                    The new paradigm sees the Thought Adjuster/Christ Self as fulfilling an angelic role, allowing an inner frame of reference for the embodied conscious self... a frame of reference that makes the existence of a higher reality undeniable. The conscious self has identified itself as a limited mortal being but the Thought Adjuster/Christ Self acts as a catalyst for the conscious self to regain gnosis of its essential nature beyond the world of form. The I AM Presence then is indeed an evolving creation within the higher vibrations of the world of form - divine yet finite from the perspective of the world of form. The Conscious Self - the "Conscious You" as Mother Mary named this concept in 2004 through Kim Michaels - is the infinite extension of God Being beyond form yet focused for the I AM Presence and thence for the embodied soul.

                    - just different schools using different terms, language-symbols and sometimes varying meanings within relationships and context...yet all these are ever relating. Wonderful isnt it?



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                    • dup post. sorry

                      "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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                      • What became of the twelve apostles?

                        http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?l...1391#U139_2_15

                        1) Andrew, the first chosen:

                        When the later persecutions finally scattered the apostles from Jerusalem, Andrew journeyed through Armenia, Asia Minor, and Macedonia and, after bringing many thousands into the kingdom, was finally apprehended and crucified in Patrae in Achaia. It was two full days before this robust man expired on the cross, and throughout these tragic hours he continued effectively to proclaim the glad tidings of the salvation of the kingdom of heaven.

                        2) Simon Peter:

                        When Simon joined the apostles, he was thirty years of age. He was married, had three children, and lived at Bethsaida, near Capernaum. His brother, Andrew, and his wife's mother lived with him. Both Peter and Andrew were fisher partners of the sons of Zebedee.

                        14 Peter's wife was a very able woman. For years she labored acceptably as a member of the women's corps, and when Peter was driven out of Jerusalem, she accompanied him upon all his journeys to the churches as well as on all his missionary excursions. And the day her illustrious husband yielded up his life, she was thrown to the wild beasts in the arena at Rome.

                        139:2.15 And so this man Peter, an intimate of Jesus, one of the inner circle, went forth from Jerusalem proclaiming the glad tidings of the kingdom with power and glory until the fullness of his ministry had been accomplished; and he regarded himself as the recipient of high honors when his captors informed him that he must die as his Master had died— on the cross. And thus was Simon Peter crucified in Rome.

                        3) James Zebedee:

                        1 James, the older of the two apostle sons of Zebedee, whom Jesus nicknamed "sons of thunder," was thirty years old when he became an apostle. He was married, had four children, and lived near his parents in the outskirts of Capernaum, Bethsaida. He was a fisherman, plying his calling in company with his younger brother John and in association with Andrew and Simon. James and his brother John enjoyed the advantage of having known Jesus longer than any of the other apostles.

                        James lived his life to the full, and when the end came, he bore himself with such grace and fortitude that even his accuser and informer, who attended his trial and execution, was so touched that he rushed away from the scene of James's death to join himself to the disciples of Jesus.

                        4) John Zebedee:

                        When he became an apostle, John was twenty-four years old and was the youngest of the twelve. He was unmarried and lived with his parents at Bethsaida; he was a fisherman and worked with his brother James in partnership with Andrew and Peter. Both before and after becoming an apostle, John functioned as the personal agent of Jesus in dealing with the Master's family, and he continued to bear this responsibility as long as Mary the mother of Jesus lived.

                        .11 This son of Zebedee was very closely associated with Peter in the early activities of the Christian movement, becoming one of the chief supporters of the Jerusalem church. He was the right-hand support of Peter on the day of Pentecost.

                        139:4.12 Several years after the martyrdom of James, John married his brother's widow. The last twenty years of his life he was cared for by a loving granddaughter.

                        139:4.13 John was in prison several times and was banished to the Isle of Patmos for a period of four years until another emperor came to power in Rome. Had not John been tactful and sagacious, he would undoubtedly have been killed as was his more outspoken brother James. As the years passed, John, together with James the Lord's brother, learned to practice wise conciliation when they appeared before the civil magistrates. They found that a "soft answer turns away wrath." They also learned to represent the church as a "spiritual brotherhood devoted to the social service of mankind" rather than as "the kingdom of heaven." They taught loving service rather than ruling power— kingdom and king.

                        139:4.14 When in temporary exile on Patmos, John wrote the Book of Revelation, which you now have in greatly abridged and distorted form. This Book of Revelation contains the surviving fragments of a great revelation, large portions of which were lost, other portions of which were removed, subsequent to John's writing. It is preserved in only fragmentary and adulterated form.

                        139:4.15 John traveled much, labored incessantly, and after becoming bishop of the Asia churches, settled down at Ephesus. He directed his associate, Nathan, in the writing of the so-called "Gospel according to John," at Ephesus, when he was ninety-nine years old. Of all the twelve apostles, John Zebedee eventually became the outstanding theologian. He died a natural death at Ephesus in A.D. 103 when he was one hundred and one years of age.

                        5) Philip the Curious:

                        Philip was the fifth apostle to be chosen, being called when Jesus and his first four apostles were on their way from John's rendezvous on the Jordan to Cana of Galilee. Since he lived at Bethsaida, Philip had for some time known of Jesus, but it had not occurred to him that Jesus was a really great man until that day in the Jordan valley when he said, "Follow me." Philip was also somewhat influenced by the fact that Andrew, Peter, James, and John had accepted Jesus as the Deliverer.

                        139:5.10 Philip went on through the trying times of the Master's death, participated in the reorganization of the twelve, and was the first to go forth to win souls for the kingdom outside of the immediate Jewish ranks, being most successful in his work for the Samaritans and in all his subsequent labors in behalf of the gospel.

                        139:5.11 Philip's wife, who was an efficient member of the women's corps, became actively associated with her husband in his evangelistic work after their flight from the Jerusalem persecutions. His wife was a fearless woman. She stood at the foot of Philip's cross encouraging him to proclaim the glad tidings even to his murderers, and when his strength failed, she began the recital of the story of salvation by faith in Jesus and was silenced only when the irate Jews rushed upon her and stoned her to death. Their eldest daughter, Leah, continued their work, later on becoming the renowned prophetess of Hierapolis.

                        139:5.12 Philip, the onetime steward of the twelve, was a mighty man in the kingdom, winning souls wherever he went; and he was finally crucified for his faith and buried at Hierapolis.

                        6) Honest Nathanial:

                        139:6.1 Nathaniel, the sixth and last of the apostles to be chosen by the Master himself, was brought to Jesus by his friend Philip. He had been associated in several business enterprises with Philip and, with him, was on the way down to see John the Baptist when they encountered Jesus.

                        139:6.2 When Nathaniel joined the apostles, he was twenty-five years old and was the next to the youngest of the group. He was the youngest of a family of seven, was unmarried, and the only support of aged and infirm parents, with whom he lived at Cana; his brothers and sister were either married or deceased, and none lived there. Nathaniel and Judas Iscariot were the two best educated men among the twelve. Nathaniel had thought to become a merchant.

                        139:6.9 Nathaniel's father (Bartholomew) died shortly after Pentecost, after which this apostle went into Mesopotamia and India proclaiming the glad tidings of the kingdom and baptizing believers. His brethren never knew what became of their onetime philosopher, poet, and humorist. But he also was a great man in the kingdom and did much to spread his Master's teachings, even though he did not participate in the organization of the subsequent Christian church. Nathaniel died in India.

                        7) Mattew Levi:

                        1 Matthew, the seventh apostle, was chosen by Andrew. Matthew belonged to a family of tax gatherers, or publicans, but was himself a customs collector in Capernaum, where he lived. He was thirty-one years old and married and had four children. He was a man of moderate wealth, the only one of any means belonging to the apostolic corps. He was a good business man, a good social mixer, and was gifted with the ability to make friends and to get along smoothly with a great variety of people.

                        When these persecutions caused the believers to forsake Jerusalem, Matthew journeyed north, preaching the gospel of the kingdom and baptizing believers. He was lost to the knowledge of his former apostolic associates, but on he went, preaching and baptizing, through Syria, Cappadocia, Galatia, Bithynia, and Thrace. And it was in Thrace, at Lysimachia, that certain unbelieving Jews conspired with the Roman soldiers to encompass his death. And this regenerated publican died triumphant in the faith of a salvation he had so surely learned from the teachings of the Master during his recent sojourn on earth.

                        8) Thomas Didymus:
                        1 Thomas was the eighth apostle, and he was chosen by Philip. In later times he has become known as "doubting Thomas," but his fellow apostles hardly looked upon him as a chronic doubter. True, his was a logical, skeptical type of mind, but he had a form of courageous loyalty which forbade those who knew him intimately to regard him as a trifling skeptic.

                        139:8.2 When Thomas joined the apostles, he was twenty-nine years old, was married, and had four children. Formerly he had been a carpenter and stone mason, but latterly he had become a fisherman and resided at Tarichea, situated on the west bank of the Jordan where it flows out of the Sea of Galilee, and he was regarded as the leading citizen of this little village. He had little education, but he possessed a keen, reasoning mind and was the son of excellent parents, who lived at Tiberias. Thomas had the one truly analytical mind of the twelve; he was the real scientist of the apostolic group.

                        Thomas had a trying time during the days of the trial and crucifixion. He was for a season in the depths of despair, but he rallied his courage, stuck to the apostles, and was present with them to welcome Jesus on the Sea of Galilee. For a while he succumbed to his doubting depression but eventually rallied his faith and courage. He gave wise counsel to the apostles after Pentecost and, when persecution scattered the believers, went to Cyprus, Crete, the North African coast, and Sicily, preaching the glad tidings of the kingdom and baptizing believers. And Thomas continued preaching and baptizing until he was apprehended by the agents of the Roman government and was put to death in Malta. Just a few weeks before his death he had begun the writing of the life and teachings of Jesus.

                        9 and 10. JAMES AND JUDAS ALPHEUS

                        James and Judas the sons of Alpheus, the twin fishermen living near Kheresa, were the ninth and tenth apostles and were chosen by James and John Zebedee. They were twenty-six years old and married, James having three children, Judas two.

                        139:9.2 There is not much to be said about these two commonplace fisherfolk. They loved their Master and Jesus loved them, but they never interrupted his discourses with questions. They understood very little about the philosophical discussions or the theological debates of their fellow apostles, but they rejoiced to find themselves numbered among such a group of mighty men. These two men were almost identical in personal appearance, mental characteristics, and extent of spiritual perception. What may be said of one should be recorded of the other.

                        The twins served faithfully until the end, until the dark days of trial, crucifixion, and despair. They never lost their heart faith in Jesus, and (save John) they were the first to believe in his resurrection. But they could not comprehend the establishment of the kingdom. Soon after their Master was crucified, they returned to their families and nets; their work was done. They had not the ability to go on in the more complex battles of the kingdom. But they lived and died conscious of having been honored and blessed with four years of close and personal association with a Son of God, the sovereign maker of a universe.

                        11) Simon the Zealot:

                        11.1 Simon Zelotes, the eleventh apostle, was chosen by Simon Peter. He was an able man of good ancestry and lived with his family at Capernaum. He was twenty-eight years old when he became attached to the apostles. He was a fiery agitator and was also a man who spoke much without thinking. He had been a merchant in Capernaum before he turned his entire attention to the patriotic organization of the Zealots.

                        12) Judas Iscariot:

                        139:12.1 Judas Iscariot, the twelfth apostle, was chosen by Nathaniel. He was born in Kerioth, a small town in southern Judea. When he was a lad, his parents moved to Jericho, where he lived and had been employed in his father's various business enterprises until he became interested in the preaching and work of John the Baptist. Judas's parents were Sadducees, and when their son joined John's disciples, they disowned him.

                        Judas was an only son of unwise parents. When very young, he was pampered and petted; he was a spoiled child. As he grew up, he had exaggerated ideas about his self-importance. He was a poor loser. He had loose and distorted ideas about fairness; he was given to the indulgence of hate and suspicion. He was an expert at misinterpretation of the words and acts of his friends. All through his life Judas had cultivated the habit of getting even with those whom he fancied had mistreated him. His sense of values and loyalties was defective.

                        139:12.7 To Jesus, Judas was a faith adventure. From the beginning the Master fully understood the weakness of this apostle and well knew the dangers of admitting him to fellowship. But it is the nature of the Sons of God to give every created being a full and equal chance for salvation and survival. Jesus wanted not only the mortals of this world but the onlookers of innumerable other worlds to know that, when doubts exist as to the sincerity and wholeheartedness of a creature's devotion to the kingdom, it is the invariable practice of the Judges of men fully to receive the doubtful candidate. The door of eternal life is wide open to all; "whosoever will may come"; there are no restrictions or qualifications save the faith of the one who comes.

                        139:12.8 This is just the reason why Jesus permitted Judas to go on to the very end, always doing everything possible to transform and save this weak and confused apostle. But when light is not honestly received and lived up to, it tends to become darkness within the soul. Judas grew intellectually regarding Jesus' teachings about the kingdom, but he did not make progress in the acquirement of spiritual character as did the other apostles. He failed to make satisfactory personal progress in spiritual experience.

                        139:12.9 Judas became increasingly a brooder over personal disappointment, and finally he became a victim of resentment. His feelings had been many times hurt, and he grew abnormally suspicious of his best friends, even of the Master. Presently he became obsessed with the idea of getting even, anything to avenge himself, yes, even betrayal of his associates and his Master.

                        139:12.10 But these wicked and dangerous ideas did not take definite shape until the day when a grateful woman broke an expensive box of incense at Jesus' feet. This seemed wasteful to Judas, and when his public protest was so sweepingly disallowed by Jesus right there in the hearing of all, it was too much. That event determined the mobilization of all the accumulated hate, hurt, malice, prejudice, jealousy, and revenge of a lifetime, and he made up his mind to get even with he knew not whom; but he crystallized all the evil of his nature upon the one innocent person in all the sordid drama of his unfortunate life just because Jesus happened to be the chief actor in the episode which marked his passing from the progressive kingdom of light into that self-chosen domain of darkness.

                        139:12.11 The Master many times, both privately and publicly, had warned Judas that he was slipping, but divine warnings are usually useless in dealing with embittered human nature. Jesus did everything possible, consistent with man's moral freedom, to prevent Judas's choosing to go the wrong way. The great test finally came. The son of resentment failed; he yielded to the sour and sordid dictates of a proud and vengeful mind of exaggerated self-importance and swiftly plunged on down into confusion, despair, and depravity.

                        139:12.12 Judas then entered into the base and shameful intrigue to betray his Lord and Master and quickly carried the nefarious scheme into effect. During the outworking of his anger-conceived plans of traitorous betrayal, he experienced moments of regret and shame, and in these lucid intervals he faint-heartedly conceived, as a defense in his own mind, the idea that Jesus might possibly exert his power and deliver himself at the last moment.

                        139:12.13 When the sordid and sinful business was all over, this renegade mortal, who thought lightly of selling his friend for thirty pieces of silver to satisfy his long-nursed craving for revenge, rushed out and committed the final act in the drama of fleeing from the realities of mortal existence— suicide.

                        139:12.14 The eleven apostles were horrified, stunned. Jesus regarded the betrayer only with pity. The worlds have found it difficult to forgive Judas, and his name has become eschewed throughout a far-flung universe.
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                        "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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                        • Dude,

                          TOL is NOT for cut-n-paste. We're supposed to post relevant stuff (long posts are frowned upon) and then make personal observations / comments. Copy and paste is too impersonal.

                          OK?

                          "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

                          If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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                          • Dude,

                            TOL is NOT for cut-n-paste. We're supposed to post relevant stuff (long posts are frowned upon) and then make personal observations / comments. Copy and paste is too impersonal.

                            OK?
                            *NO! As a rule people who are to lazy to read a page already having their mind made up before they read and should not participate in a forum that requires reading!!!!! (was that to long?)

                            * You always say the same robotic stuff anyway so perhaps you should make up a rule for brain washed, intolerant robots who have an automated response.

                            * It wouldn’t matter if the post is long or short, your mind is sealed so don’t read the thread or comment that would solve "your problem".




                            Caino

                            "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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                            • Solve what problem?

                              I'm not close-minded, but my mind is focused on Truth, not imaginary gods and false nonsense or demonic doctrine from someone in a trance.
                              "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

                              If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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                              • Originally posted by freelight View Post
                                Hi John. Most of the planets religious texts and 'scripture' are way older than the UB. One could take the term 'out of date' as meaning 'obsolete', - I'm sure you didnt mean it that way,...as all inspired writings are to be taken for their meaning, value, integrity, spiritual worth, etc.
                                Well, it depends upon the level of the receiving consciousness. There are many aspects of the various old testament revelations that are indeed obsolete due to the fact that the collective consciousness of this planet has risen considerably since the times of those revelations. The same can be said of the New Testament in fact.

                                Originally posted by freelight View Post
                                The UB is considered the latest and current 'epochal revelation' to this planet.
                                ...only by those who decide to accept the claim made for the UB by the UB.

                                Originally posted by freelight View Post
                                It appears epochal revelations come around at least every few millennia(Jesus bestowal-mission being the last one) so this one is still comparatively 'fresh' (given 80 years ago)-
                                Well that is an assertion - but it's not one that I personally accept.

                                Also, there is an enormous difference between Jesus' ministry 2,000 years ago and the UB. Jesus came to be a living, breathing demonstration of the Logos in embodiment; he did not encourage his followers to go around with a body of teaching in detailed written form.
                                Even the New Testament, which emerged from the event of Jesus the Christ by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is hardly a detailed and systematic textbook like the UB.


                                Originally posted by freelight View Post
                                Its an interesting tome indeed! The revelators used the knowledge of mankind and its terms at that time, only bringing in new concepts or words if necessary in their presentation. (see Foreword).
                                Yes, and this is something that we see in the NT also. There were many new concepts that were introduced that required certain words to be used in a radically new way.

                                A really striking example in the UB is the introduction of the word, "Absonite".

                                Originally posted by freelight View Post
                                In any case, once one 'gets' the basic terms, structure and cosmology they can integrate the greater picture of evolutionary progress and details of the path of eternal progression relative to the soul's journey. - while the UB has its own peculiar nuances and nomenclature........
                                It goes way beyond peculiar nuances and nomenclature, though, Paul. There is a vast and very intricate structure to the whole thing which is completely new.

                                Originally posted by freelight View Post
                                .......its universal knowledge is consonant with human experience in every all fields of knowledge.
                                That's a decision each individual has to make. I don't think I could endorse its universal knowledge claim, (for that is what it is), as consonant with all of my particular human experience.


                                Originally posted by freelight View Post
                                - just different schools using different terms, language-symbols and sometimes varying meanings within relationships and context...yet all these are ever relating. Wonderful isnt it?
                                There is indeed a great deal of interrelation between the substance of the Ascended Master Schools and the UB. However I would add a word of caution here... neither system of thought is infallible and there are very real differences in substance. It is easy to get caught up in the positive resonances of congruence and begin to create a belief that different schools are really saying the same thing at the end of the day. The flip side, of course, is to focus on the differences and then end up in a dualistic frame of mind, being convinced that on this-or-that point the UB is true and the AM schools in error or vice versa.

                                I think the UB is an astonishing work in and of itself, and I think there are many people who would derive huge benefit from it. As with anything else it is vital to take what you can from it and then move on to higher understandings and deeper self mastery.

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