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  • Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    I'm presuming you're familiar with allegory? Symbolism? Metaphor? I was referring to fundamentalism as if you didn't already know and why there's more than sufficient reason to see elements of the above in the creation account that fundamentalism discounts. In no way did I posit anything as you suggested so please refrain from that in future when you quote me if it's all the same to you..
    Fundamentalism is the "strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline."

    One of the basic principles of the Bible is that we don't change what it says because it doesn't fit with our worldview, and it says "six days" and "from the beginning of creation."

    Six days:
    For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. - Exodus 20:11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV

    God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. . . . And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. . . . So the evening and the morning were the third day. . . . So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. . . . So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. . . . Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. - Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV

    From the beginning of creation:
    But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ - Mark 10:6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6&version=NKJV

    What's interesting is that you never provide any evidence for any of the passages above to BE allegory, symbolism, or metaphor.

    In other words, saying it doesn't make it so.

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    • Originally posted by User Name View Post
      No wonder they won't allow young earth creationism to be taught in science classrooms!
      Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
      Darwinists love making things up.

      The fact that they don't allow it is even more evidence that it contradicts their worldview, which is millions and billions of years.
      Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
      So, you think that all of scientific theory, thought, that's been established on corroborated consensus is about "making things up"?
      Darwinists love taking things out of context.

      Try again.

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      • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
        Fundamentalism is the "strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline."

        One of the basic principles of the Bible is that we don't change what it says because it doesn't fit with our worldview, and it says "six days" and "from the beginning of creation."

        Six days:
        For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. - Exodus 20:11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV

        God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. . . . And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. . . . So the evening and the morning were the third day. . . . So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. . . . So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. . . . Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. - Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV

        From the beginning of creation:
        But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ - Mark 10:6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6&version=NKJV

        What's interesting is that you never provide any evidence for any of the passages above to BE allegory, symbolism, or metaphor.

        In other words, saying it doesn't make it so.
        How can you not see the obvious allegory in Genesis? The poetic narrative? Do you read revelation literally as well?!
        Well this is fun isn't it?

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        • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
          Darwinists love taking things out of context.

          Try again.
          Are you trying to become a Stripe clone or something? The fact that the age of the universe is globally accepted in science as being billions of years old is not because scientists just want to "make this stuff up". It's because the evidence says so.
          Well this is fun isn't it?

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          • Originally posted by Ktoyou View Post
            This all sounds very bad, but parochial, as in parochial school seems like a nice something. I sent some of my children to parochial school, if they wanted to attend. Some did, and some didn't. I do not see what 9/11 had to do with Christian religion, since is had nothing in common with the Christian life.
            There's one key parallel between the two religions: dogma.
            Why do you believe Islamic fundamentalists hate the Christian dominated west and vice versa?

            There's obvious political animosity but religious hate for the infidels is a key, cultural issue.
            _/\_

            Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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            • Christianity and the Alt Right

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              • Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                How can you not see the obvious allegory in Genesis?
                This is a divine fallacy, also called argument from incredulity.

                I have not dismissed that there is allegory in Genesis. I'm not saying that there isn't allegory in Genesis.

                My position is that instead of taking everything either completely woodenly literally, or seeing it all as completely poetic, one should read it as-is, taking the literal parts to be literal, and the figurative parts to be figurative. Just like you would read any other book.

                Once agin, you have failed to provide evidence to support your claim that Genesis is "poetic."

                Instead, you have begged the question that all of it is poetic, and expect others to accept it.

                The poetic narrative? Do you read revelation literally as well?!
                By literally, do you per-chance mean "woodenly" literally?

                Because if you do, then my answer will just be me talking past you.

                I read Revelation literally. No, that does not mean that I take everything to be literal.

                I read the literal parts as literal, and the figurative parts as figurative, just like when you read any other book, there are parts that are literal, with figures of speech, allegories, etc, scattered throughout.

                Again, the Bible says six days and from the beginning of creation.

                I have no reason to take those phrases to mean anything other than what they say.

                If you have evidence that says they mean something else, I am more than happy to look at it. But so far, you haven't presented any.

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                • Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                  Are you trying to become a Stripe clone or something? The fact that the age of the universe is globally accepted
                  Darwinists love it when the discussion is about how many people believe what.

                  in science as being billions of years old is not because scientists just want to "make this stuff up". It's because the evidence says so.
                  Except that it doesn't, no matter how badly you want it to.

                  The evidence, including the Bible, says six days and from the beginning of creation around 7-10,000 years ago.

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                  • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                    The evidence, including the Bible, says six days and from the beginning of creation around 7-10,000 years ago.
                    I'd like chapter and verse for "7-10,000 years ago."

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                    • Originally posted by asgharasbukhari View Post
                      Christianity and the Alt Right

                      https://youtu.be/5AXQ7dDedsI



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                      Look, we don't mind if you post here, so long as you are respectful.

                      We just ask that you contribute to the discussion.

                      Saying the above and dropping a YouTube link is not.

                      If there is something from the video that you would like to discuss, please make the argument in your own words.

                      This is a forum. Not a video sharing site.

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                      • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                        This is a divine fallacy, also called argument from incredulity.

                        I have not dismissed that there is allegory in Genesis. I'm not saying that there isn't allegory in Genesis.

                        My position is that instead of taking everything either completely woodenly literally, or seeing it all as completely poetic, one should read it as-is, taking the literal parts to be literal, and the figurative parts to be figurative. Just like you would read any other book.

                        Once agin, you have failed to provide evidence to support your claim that Genesis is "poetic."

                        Instead, you have begged the question that all of it is poetic, and expect others to accept it.



                        By literally, do you per-chance mean "woodenly" literally?

                        Because if you do, then my answer will just be me talking past you.

                        I read Revelation literally. No, that does not mean that I take everything to be literal.

                        I read the literal parts as literal, and the figurative parts as figurative, just like when you read any other book, there are parts that are literal, with figures of speech, allegories, etc, scattered throughout.

                        Again, the Bible says six days and from the beginning of creation.

                        I have no reason to take those phrases to mean anything other than what they say.

                        If you have evidence that says they mean something else, I am more than happy to look at it. But so far, you haven't presented any.
                        Where do you decide what's absolutely literal and what can be taken as figurative? What absolute criteria do you have for that that isn't subjective to any extent? Fundamentalism is indeed a strict adherence to a set of dogmatic beliefs. That's why it should be questioned.
                        Well this is fun isn't it?

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                        • Originally posted by quip View Post
                          There's one key parallel between the two religions: dogma.
                          Why do you believe Islamic fundamentalists hate the Christian dominated west and vice versa?

                          There's obvious political animosity but religious hate for the infidels is a key, cultural issue.
                          I believe the Islamic fundamentalists hate the Christian dominated west for only one main reason, they believe the west is so very wealthy and they envoy that wealth. They really do assume all in the USA are very wealthy and have no understanding of the poverty here in the west.

                          People, and I mean all people, not just Arabs, may use religion as a substitute for what is the primary issue, which is jealousy of an imagined utopia they unconsciously desire, but feel oppressed by circumstance, so, their impulse is sublimated by the unconscious mind and what is conscious is a religious zeal, with a dread for something they can grasp by labeling it is an evil, which they desire, a sublimated desire, one that is transformed from desire for gain of the imagined good, to dread of difference, which is really a perverted, ( not sexual as is a sexual deviancy, but in a misguided drive ) , into an inclination for violence and death.

                          They desire us, but cannpt consciously admit and feel this, so they turn that drive inward and imagine themselves possessing what they need, yet do not have and assume, falsely, that the other (us) is the bad object they must destroy.
                          So, what?

                          believe it!

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                          • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                            Darwinists love it when the discussion is about how many people believe what
                            Seriously, Stripe does the whole "Darwinist" shtick already. He really doesn't need a sidekick...


                            Except that it doesn't, no matter how badly you want it to.

                            The evidence, including the Bible, says six days and from the beginning of creation around 7-10,000 years ago.
                            Yes, it does. That's why it's accepted. It's not a case of me "wanting it to be so". Why some of you try that thing is utterly bemusing. I wouldn't have a problem whatsoever if the earth were only a few thousand years old, why would I?
                            Well this is fun isn't it?

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                            • Originally posted by Ktoyou View Post
                              I believe the Islamic fundamentalists hate the Christian dominated west for only one main reason, they believe the west is so very wealthy and they envoy that wealth. They really do assume all in the USA are very wealthy and have no understanding of the poverty here in the west.

                              People, and I mean all people, not just Arabs, may use religion as a substitute for what is the primary issue, which is jealousy of an imagined utopia they unconsciously desire, but feel oppressed by circumstance, so, their impulse is sublimated by the unconscious mind and what is conscious is a religious zeal, with a dread for something they can grasp by labeling it is an evil, which they desire, a sublimated desire, one that is transformed from desire for gain of the imagined good, to dread of difference, which is really a perverted, ( not sexual as is a sexual deviancy, but in a misguided drive ) , into an inclination for violence and death.

                              They desire us, but cannpt consciously admit and feel this, so they turn that drive inward and imagine themselves possessing what they need, yet do not have and assume, falsely, that the other (us) is the bad object they must destroy.
                              So in a word...it's simple 'jealousy'. Well, that Freudian-esque simplification may personally succor the depths of your concern yet, the stench of religious hate historically retains its ugly legacy. 9/11 being its latest chapter.
                              _/\_

                              Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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                              • Originally posted by Ktoyou View Post
                                I believe the Islamic fundamentalists hate the Christian dominated west for only one main reason, they believe the west is so very wealthy and they envoy that wealth. They really do assume all in the USA are very wealthy and have no understanding of the poverty here in the west.

                                People, and I mean all people, not just Arabs, may use religion as a substitute for what is the primary issue, which is jealousy of an imagined utopia they unconsciously desire, but feel oppressed by circumstance, so, their impulse is sublimated by the unconscious mind and what is conscious is a religious zeal, with a dread for something they can grasp by labeling it is an evil, which they desire, a sublimated desire, one that is transformed from desire for gain of the imagined good, to dread of difference, which is really a perverted, ( not sexual as is a sexual deviancy, but in a misguided drive ) , into an inclination for violence and death.

                                They desire us, but cannpt consciously admit and feel this, so they turn that drive inward and imagine themselves possessing what they need, yet do not have and assume, falsely, that the other (us) is the bad object they must destroy.
                                Rubbish. Muslims do not hate the west for wealth (which is stolen by the way) but because your wars are slaughtering them and their children. Your policies have destroyed their lives and will destroy their children's lives and you will not let them live in peace.

                                Nothing more.



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