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  • #61
    Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Whereas the Tribe of Penobscot Indians have repeatedly in a perfidious manner acted contrary to their Solemn Submission unto his Majesty long since mad and frequently renewed. I have therefore at the desire of the House of Representatives with the Advice of his Majesty's Council thought fit to issue the Proclamation and to declare the Penobscot tribe of Indians to be Enemies, Rebells, and Traitors to his Majesty King George the Second.
    It appears that certain tribes helped the Colonists and hence had a bounty on their heads by the British.

    Aren't you glad that Colonists defeated those British barbarians? I certainly am.

    (Sigh, she tries so hard).
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    • #62
      Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
      Follow the links in the article.
      yes, i did - no contemporary uses of the word "redskin(s)" in this manner


      Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
      This is from one of them, regarding the smallpox:

      Unfortunately for this thesis, we know of but a single instance of such warfare, and the documentary evidence is inconclusive. In 1763, a particularly serious uprising threatened the British garrisons west of the Allegheny mountains. Worried about his limited resources, and disgusted by what he saw as the Indians’ treacherous and savage modes of warfare, Sir Jeffrey Amherst, commander-in-chief of British forces in North America, wrote as follows to Colonel Henry Bouquet at Fort Pitt:"You will do well to try to inoculate the Indians [with smallpox] by means of blankets, as well as to try every other method, that can serve to extirpate this execrable race."
      Bouquet clearly approved of Amherst's suggestion, but whether he himself carried it out is uncertain.
      actually, it's pretty certain - there is extant Bouquet's reply to Amherst, in his hand, rejecting the proposal


      On or around June 24, two traders at Fort Pitt did give blankets and a handkerchief from the fort’s quarantined hospital to two visiting Delaware Indians, and one of the traders noted in his journal:"I hope it will have the desired effect."

      this is correct

      but there are no documented outbreaks comtemporary with the traders journal timeline

      Smallpox was already present among the tribes of Ohio; at some point after this episode, there was another outbreak in which hundreds died.

      the only documented outbreak at this time was most likely caused by contaminated bedding that was stolen by indians

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      • #63
        Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
        It appears that certain tribes helped the Colonists and hence had a bounty on their heads by the British.





        1755, moron


        the penobscots were allied with the french, the proclamation was to protect the colonists

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        • #64
          Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
          Shall we review the lies misinformation that you've been caught posting? Shall we start with your post that pretty much stated that the American Indian were conservationists when in reality they raped the natural resources of America?
          You've already be shown to be wrong on that by other posters, but I know you'll keep digging that racist hole.

          Not long after President Abraham Lincoln signed the Pacific Railway Act of 1862, railroad financier George Francis Train proclaimed, “The great Pacific Railway is commenced.… Immigration will soon pour into these valleys. Ten millions of emigrants will settle in this golden land in twenty years.… This is the grandest enterprise under God!” Yet while Train may have envisioned all the glory and the possibilities of linking the East and the West coasts by “a strong band of iron,” he could not imagine the full and tragic impact of the Transcontinental Railroad, nor the speed at which it changed the shape of the American West. For in its wake, the lives of countless Native Americans were destroyed, and tens of millions of buffalo, which had roamed freely upon the Great Plains since the last ice age 10,000 years ago, were nearly driven to extinction in a massive slaughter made possible by the railroad. . . .

          The Transcontinental Railroad made Sheridan’s strategy of “total war” much more effective. In the mid-19th century, it was estimated that 30 milion to 60 million buffalo roamed the plains. In massive and majestic herds, they rumbled by the hundreds of thousands, creating the sound that earned them the nickname “Thunder of the Plains.” The bison’s lifespan of 25 years, rapid reproduction and resiliency in their environment enabled the species to flourish, as Native Americans were careful not to overhunt, and even men like William “Buffalo Bill” Cody, who was hired by the Kansas Pacific Railroad to hunt the bison to feed thousands of rail laborers for years, could not make much of a dent in the buffalo population. In mid-century, trappers who had depleted the beaver populations of the Midwest began trading in buffalo robes and tongues; an estimated 200,000 buffalo were killed annually. Then the completion of the Transcontinental Railroad accelerated the decimation of the species.Massive hunting parties began to arrive in the West by train, with thousands of men packing .50 caliber rifles, and leaving a trail of buffalo carnage in their wake. Unlike the Native Americans or Buffalo Bill, who killed for food, clothing and shelter, the hunters from the East killed mostly for sport. Native Americans looked on with horror as landscapes and prairies were littered with rotting buffalo carcasses. The railroads began to advertise excursions for “hunting by rail,” where trains encountered massive herds alongside or crossing the tracks. Hundreds of men aboard the trains climbed to the roofs and took aim, or fired from their windows, leaving countless 1,500-pound animals where they died.

          Harper’s Weekly described these hunting excursions:

          Nearly every railroad train which leaves or arrives at Fort Hays on the Kansas Pacific Railroad has its race with these herds of buffalo; and a most interesting and exciting scene is the result. The train is “slowed” to a rate of speed about equal to that of the herd; the passengers get out fire-arms which are provided for the defense of the train against the Indians, and open from the windows and platforms of the cars a fire that resembles a brisk skirmish. Frequently a young bull will turn at bay for a moment. His exhibition of courage is generally his death-warrant, for the whole fire of the train is turned upon him, either killing him or some member of the herd in his immediate vicinity.


          Hunters began killing buffalo by the hundreds of thousands in the winter months. One hunter, Orlando Brown brought down nearly 6,000 buffalo by himself and lost hearing in one ear from the constant firing of his .50 caliber rifle. The Texas legislature, sensing the buffalo were in danger of being wiped out, proposed a bill to protect the species. General Sheridan opposed it, stating, ”These men have done more in the last two years, and will do more in the next year, to settle the vexed Indian question, than the entire regular army has done in the last forty years. They are destroying the Indians’ commissary. And it is a well known fact that an army losing its base of supplies is placed at a great disadvantage. Send them powder and lead, if you will; but for a lasting peace, let them kill, skin and sell until the buffaloes are exterminated. Then your prairies can be covered with speckled cattle.”

          By the end of the 19th century, only 300 buffalo were left in the wild. Congress finally took action, outlawing the killing of any birds or animals in Yellowstone National Park, where the only surviving buffalo herd could be protected. Conservationists established more wildlife preserves, and the species slowly rebounded. Today, there are more than 200,000 bison in North America.

          Sheridan acknowledged the role of the railroad in changing the face of the American West, and in his Annual Report of the General of the U.S. Army in 1878, he acknowledged that the Native Americans were scuttled to reservations with no compensation beyond the promise of religious instruction and basic supplies of food and clothing—promises, he wrote, which were never fulfilled.

          “We took away their country and their means of support, broke up their mode of living, their habits of life, introduced disease and decay among them, and it was for this and against this they made war. Could any one expect less? Then, why wonder at Indian difficulties?”

          Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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          • #65
            Originally posted by ok doser View Post

            the only documented outbreak [of smallpox]at this time was most likely caused by contaminated bedding that was stolen by indians
            Smallpox Devastation American and Canadian Indians

            Native populations of the Americas lacked immunity to the infectious diseases that had ravaged Europe and Asia for centuries. Sparse populations on the Plains and the pristine valleys of the Rocky Mountains prevented a buildup of communicable diseases. The “white man” diseases…measles, chicken pox, typhus, typhoid fever, dysentery, scarlet fever, diphtheria, and after 1832, cholera…devastated the American Indian. Lumped together, these diseases did not equal the havoc of smallpox in terms of number of deaths, realignment of tribal alliances, and subsequent changes in Canadian and American Indian Cultures.
            Smallpox in the New World:
            Some of the African slaves brought by Columbus to be used on the sugar plantation of the West Indies carried the smallpox virus. In 1495, fifty-seven to eighty percent of the native population of Santa Domingo, and in 1515, two-thirds of the Indians of Puerto Rico were wiped out by smallpox. Ten years after Cortez arrived in Mexico, the native population dropped from twenty-five million to six million five hundred thousand a reduction of seventy-four percent.

            Read more: http://thefurtrapper.com/home/indian-smallpox/

            Undoubtedly smuggled in on blankets for the purpose of extermination.

            Yeah, uh huh. Alex Jones, take a break.
            The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
            http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
            http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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            • #66
              Originally posted by ok doser View Post
              I've never seen contemporary accounts using "redskins" in that manner - got a link?
              I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean contemporaneous?

              Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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              • #67
                Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
                I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean contemporaneous?
                yes i do

                i hate this handheld

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                  yes i do

                  i hate this handheld
                  There's this from 1863, but I had to go looking for it.


                  Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
                    In the mid-19th century, it was estimated that 30 milion to 60 million buffalo roamed the plains.
                    I just love telling..."the rest of the story".


                    Who Killed off all the Buffalo?


                    Once upon a time, the American buffalo roamed North America in large numbers, perhaps as many as 10-70 million. But by the mid-1880s, its once-vast numbers had been reduced to just a few hundred. Who killed the buffalo? And why?
                    The Rise of the Buffalo?
                    Interestingly enough, the rise of the American buffalo may have coincided with the fall of the Native American tribes. According to this theory, put forth by Charles Mann, the Native Americans originally created grasslands for the buffalo population and heavily regulated their activities.
                    “Hernando De Soto’s expedition staggered through the Southeast for four years in the early 16th century and saw hordes of people but apparently did not see a single bison.” ~ Charles Mann, 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus
                    When the Europeans first arrived in the New World, they inadvertently brought along diseases with them. Native Americans died off in massive numbers and buffalo herds found themselves free. They began to roam and quickly spread across the land, eventually becoming the most dominant large animal in what is now the United States.
                    Who Killed the Buffalo?
                    So, that helps explain the spread of the buffalo. But what about the fall? Well, it appears there are a few culprits here…the Native Americans themselves, commercial hunters, and the U.S. Army.
                    Native Americans, contrary to popular opinion, were not quite the “noble savages” they are often portrayed to be in modern culture. They hunted buffalo in large numbers, even going so far as to herd them into makeshift chutes and stampede them over cliffs (this took place at the well-named Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump in Alberta, Canada along with many others). The Comanche alone killed more than 280,000 buffalo a year.
                    “They were killing more than 280,000 bison a year – the maximum loss the herds could sustain without imploding – and at the very time the great drought of 1845-50 was exacerbating the situation.” ~ Frank McLynn, Review of The Comanche Empire by Pekka Hämäläinen
                    http://www.davidmeyercreations.com/s...l-the-buffalo/

                    280,000 buffalo/bison killed a year by the Comanche's alone. Wow, that's a lot of dead animals for such a small group of people, who were...ahem...conservationists.
                    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
                    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
                    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                      Who Killed off all the Buffalo?

                      Stupid white men on trains.

                      Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                        I just love telling..."the rest of the story".


                        Who Killed off all the Buffalo?


                        Once upon a time, the American buffalo roamed North America in large numbers, perhaps as many as 10-70 million. But by the mid-1880s, its once-vast numbers had been reduced to just a few hundred. Who killed the buffalo? And why?
                        The Rise of the Buffalo?
                        Interestingly enough, the rise of the American buffalo may have coincided with the fall of the Native American tribes. According to this theory, put forth by Charles Mann, the Native Americans originally created grasslands for the buffalo population and heavily regulated their activities.
                        “Hernando De Soto’s expedition staggered through the Southeast for four years in the early 16th century and saw hordes of people but apparently did not see a single bison.” ~ Charles Mann, 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus
                        When the Europeans first arrived in the New World, they inadvertently brought along diseases with them. Native Americans died off in massive numbers and buffalo herds found themselves free. They began to roam and quickly spread across the land, eventually becoming the most dominant large animal in what is now the United States.
                        Who Killed the Buffalo?
                        So, that helps explain the spread of the buffalo. But what about the fall? Well, it appears there are a few culprits here…the Native Americans themselves, commercial hunters, and the U.S. Army.
                        Native Americans, contrary to popular opinion, were not quite the “noble savages” they are often portrayed to be in modern culture. They hunted buffalo in large numbers, even going so far as to herd them into makeshift chutes and stampede them over cliffs (this took place at the well-named Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump in Alberta, Canada along with many others). The Comanche alone killed more than 280,000 buffalo a year.
                        “They were killing more than 280,000 bison a year – the maximum loss the herds could sustain without imploding – and at the very time the great drought of 1845-50 was exacerbating the situation.” ~ Frank McLynn, Review of The Comanche Empire by Pekka Hämäläinen
                        http://www.davidmeyercreations.com/s...l-the-buffalo/

                        280,000 buffalo/bison killed a year by the Comanche's alone. Wow, that's a lot of dead animals for such a small group of people, who were...ahem...conservationists.
                        yeah, here is "the rest of the story"

                        General Sherman's army wiped out most of the buffalo...
                        The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
                          Stupid white men on trains.
                          Close...though that did indeed happen....shooting buffalo from trains for sport.
                          The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                            yeah, here is "the rest of the story"

                            General Sherman's army wiped out most of the buffalo...
                            There's no denying that. Why is it that you won't admit the fact that the American Indian played a part in it's near extinction as well?

                            BTW, the Comanche population at that time was anywhere from 7,000 to 30,000. Why was it necessary for them to kill 280,000 buffalo/bison a year?
                            https://www.britannica.com/topic/Comanche-people
                            The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
                            http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
                            http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
                              Stupid white men on trains.
                              Racism:
                              prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group
                              The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
                              http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
                              http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by ok doser View Post



                                1755, moron


                                the penobscots were allied with the french, the proclamation was to protect the colonists
                                Play nice Aaron. My point was that the British were the enemy.
                                The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
                                http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
                                http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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