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  • #76
    Originally posted by glassjester View Post
    I'm only in support of it if there's absolutely no other way to keep the person from attacking others. But practically speaking, that might be never. Or maybe only when killing in self-defense (or defense of another).
    So you're religiously against the DP? Not that that's a criticism as there's too many who are so willing to have a society where folk can be stoned, hanged or pushed off cliffs and such for stuff that isn't even their business anyway.
    Well this is fun isn't it?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
      So you're religiously against the DP?
      I don't think it's inherently evil. I just think it's practically unnecessary (and to execute unnecessarily would be wrong). But yes, I guess I am religiously against it.
      Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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      • #78
        Originally posted by glassjester View Post
        I don't think it's inherently evil. I just think it's practically unnecessary (and to execute unnecessarily would be wrong). But yes, I guess I am religiously against it.
        So why are you religiously against it when plenty here are arguing that it's Godly to execute people?
        Well this is fun isn't it?

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
          So why are you religiously against it when plenty here are arguing that it's Godly to execute people?
          Two reasons:

          (1) The civil/criminal and ritual laws of the OT are not binding on Christians (while the moral code remains). This, for example, is why Christians willingly eat pork, and do not advocate for the execution of children who curse their parents.

          And (2) because human life is inherently valuable. Human life should not be directly and intentionally taken. And to clarify that - when killing in self-defense, for example, the principle of double effect is in place. I can stop a man from killing me (even by killing him, if necessary). But my intent is not to kill; it is to stop him from killing me. If, for example, in the struggle, I incapacitate him (thereby stopping his attack), it would be morally wrong for me to walk up to him and kill him, as he lay on the ground, helpless.
          Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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          • #80
            Originally posted by glassjester View Post
            I don't think it's inherently evil. I just think it's practically unnecessary (and to execute unnecessarily would be wrong). But yes, I guess I am religiously against it.
            i think imprisonment is inherently evil, since it is never given by God as a punishment

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            • #81
              Originally posted by glassjester View Post

              And (2) because human life is inherently valuable. Human life should not be directly and intentionally taken.
              so God was mistaken when He specified the death penalty?

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              • #82
                Originally posted by glassjester View Post
                Which OT laws/penalties do you consider binding on Christians? And why?
                None of them, because none of them are on the books today. Do not murder? Murder is called a human right. Do not steal? That's how governments survive. Do not commit perjury? That's a lawyer's job description. Do not commit adultery? People hate God so much, they even celebrate homos pretending to be married.

                Also, your question — the one I quoted, not the other version you opened with — you do not know what a Christian is. A Christian is a man who confesses Jesus Christ as Lord and saviour. His relationship with the law is irrelevant.

                To your other question: Governments are obligated to uphold the law. They universally don't and make criminals of people who do the state's job for them.
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                • #83
                  i don't believe you're allowed to say that

                  artie is a brilliant man with a keen intellect

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Stripe View Post

                    Also, your question — the one I quoted, not the other version you opened with — you do not know what a Christian is. A Christian is a man who confesses Jesus Christ as Lord and saviour. His relationship with the law is irrelevant.
                    Do you advocate for the death penalty for murderers? Why/why not?

                    Do you advocate for the death penalty for not keeping the Sabbath? Why/why not?
                    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                      so God was mistaken when He specified the death penalty?
                      No. I said the death penalty is not inherently evil.
                      Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                        .... stuff that isn't even their business anyway.
                        you have claimed that a friend was raped, i believe

                        can you explain why that rape was anyone's business other than your friend and the rapist?

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                          i think imprisonment is inherently evil, since it is never given by God as a punishment
                          Argument from absence? You know that's not a valid argument.
                          Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by glassjester View Post
                            If, for example, in the struggle, I incapacitate him (thereby stopping his attack), it would be morally wrong for me to walk up to him and kill him, as he lay on the ground, helpless.
                            These types of people are never helpless so long as they continue to breath. Their goal in life is to destroy others.
                            TRUST
                            is a fragile thing.

                            Easy to break, Easy to lose
                            and one of the hardest things to
                            ever get back.







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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by glassjester View Post
                              Argument from absence? You know that's not a valid argument.
                              so God should have specified "no imprisonment"?

                              isn't that covered by the laws against kidnapping? Isn't that what imprisonment is?

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                              • #90
                                when you return Stripe, repeat after me:

                                artie is a brilliant man with a keen intellect

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