The Left's Enduring Charlottesville Lie

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The Left's Enduring Charlottesville Lie
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/fea...03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/

QUOTE: Whenever Democrats want to blame President Trump for an act of white supremacist violence such as the horrific attack in New Zealand or the imagined attack on Jussie Smollett in Chicago, they and their allies in the national news media invariably cite his statements in the wake of the deadly riot in Charlottesville, Virginia.
"President Trump called white supremacists 'very fine people!'" they shriek.
Only he didn't. He actually said the exact opposite.
We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, this has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.
The President's inclusion of the phrase "on many sides" immediately set off a media feeding frenzy. Even though violent members of Antifa had joined with those peacefully protesting the "Unite the Right" rally and had sparked physical altercations with the white supremacists attending the rally, Trump critics immediately pounced on what they considered to be equivocation.

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the left is unwilling to own antifa

can't blame them, really - the right is unwilling to own white supremacists

but where the right denounces white supremacists, the left is silent on their thugs
 

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So, this thread is Part One of the Five Part series of the BIG FIVE lies told about Trump. Remember my other post:

Perhaps, but I had to state the facts for the records.

Among all the lies told about Trump, the one about him saying Nazis are fine people rates among the BIG FIVE lies.

One lie is that he said that Mexicans are rapists and criminals, the day he announced his candidacy, He never said that. He said that MexiCO - the country - ALLOWS rapists and criminals to crossover, and they do, and they come from all sorts of countries.

Another lie is about the so-called Muslim Ban.

Another one is that he is a white supremacist or purposely appeals to them.

Of course, the Russia Collusion story is now a proven lie.

I would like to flesh that all out into a big thread someday.
 

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Well well well, what a coinkidink.

Creepy sleepy Joe decided to base his entire announcement to run on this lie. He is a born liar, habitual liar, and now the premise of his candidacy is based on a lie. Bring him on man.

https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/1121482840988946437

Joe Biden's kids have also done billions of dollars worth of business with China that Joe had a hand in creating through his political connections and power. He is compromised there and in the Ukraine situations.
 

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So, this thread is Part One of the Five Part series of the BIG FIVE lies told about Trump. Remember my other post:

Perhaps, but I had to state the facts for the records.

Among all the lies told about Trump, the one about him saying Nazis are fine people rates among the BIG FIVE lies.

One lie is that he said that Mexicans are rapists and criminals, the day he announced his candidacy, He never said that. He said that MexiCO - the country - ALLOWS rapists and criminals to crossover, and they do, and they come from all sorts of countries.

Another lie is about the so-called Muslim Ban.

Another one is that he is a white supremacist or purposely appeals to them.

Of course, the Russia Collusion story is now a proven lie.

I would like to flesh that all out into a big thread someday.

Those aren't lies told just about Trump. Those same basic lies are told repeatedly about all conservatives. Even the basics of the Russian collusion narrative are used against conservatives everywhere. Not the specifics used against Trump, but the same general smears. It's all one big con game run on the American public trying to destroy the opponents of the Democrat party so they can have their desired one party system.

I specifically say Democrat party because there is nothing about that party that is democratic anymore. It is nothing but tyranny an corruption 24/7 from the Democrats any more.
 

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Those aren't lies told just about Trump. Those same basic lies are told repeatedly about all conservatives. Even the basics of the Russian collusion narrative are used against conservatives everywhere. Not the specifics used against Trump, but the same general smears. It's all one big con game run on the American public trying to destroy the opponents of the Democrat party so they can have their desired one party system.

I specifically say Democrat party because there is nothing about that party that is democratic anymore. It is nothing but tyranny an corruption 24/7 from the Democrats any more.

All true.
 

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Well well well, what a coinkidink.

Creepy sleepy Joe decided to base his entire announcement to run on this lie. He is a born liar, habitual liar, and now the premise of his candidacy is based on a lie. Bring him on man.

https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/1121482840988946437

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The Left's Enduring Charlottesville Lie
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/fea...03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/

QUOTE: Whenever Democrats want to blame President Trump for an act of white supremacist violence such as the horrific attack in New Zealand or the imagined attack on Jussie Smollett in Chicago, they and their allies in the national news media invariably cite his statements in the wake of the deadly riot in Charlottesville, Virginia.
"President Trump called white supremacists 'very fine people!'" they shriek.
Only he didn't. He actually said the exact opposite.

The President's inclusion of the phrase "on many sides" immediately set off a media feeding frenzy. Even though violent members of Antifa had joined with those peacefully protesting the "Unite the Right" rally and had sparked physical altercations with the white supremacists attending the rally, Trump critics immediately pounced on what they considered to be equivocation.
The Left's Enduring Charlottesville Lie

Given that this President chose to remain silent for several days after the incidents at Charlotteville, many Americans had already "connected the dots" and concluded as to where Trump's true sympathies were placed!

By recently choosing to "double-down" on his past controversial comments concerning Charlotteville in response to Biden's criticisms, this President, in his infinite wisdom, has effectively overshadowed the good economic narrative from the 1st quarter - frustrated congressional Republicans must be pulling out whatever little hair they have left!
 

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Given that this President chose to remain silent for several days after the incidents at Charlotteville, many Americans had already "connected the dots" and concluded as to where Trump's true sympathies were placed!

You mean a bunch of fools who don't understand that Trump is not a lifelong politician and does not respond to such things the way a pandering politician would decided to FALSELY accuse him of being a racist.

.....By recently choosing to "double-down" on his past controversial comments concerning Charlotteville.....


Apparently you have chosen to ignore the first post. Trump never said anything wrong. The fake news media lied about what he said, and you have chosen to believe the lie and reject the facts. Ergo your post has no validity since it is based on a lie.



 

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The Left's Enduring Charlottesville Lie

Given that this President chose to remain silent for several days after the incidents at Charlotteville, many Americans had already "connected the dots" and concluded as to where Trump's true sympathies were placed!

By recently choosing to "double-down" on his past controversial comments concerning Charlotteville in response to Biden's criticisms, this President, in his infinite wisdom, has effectively overshadowed the good economic narrative from the 1st quarter - frustrated congressional Republicans must be pulling out whatever little hair they have left!

Ah, yes. Pre-judging according to bias. If something isn't said immediately then it's because Trump is racist.

Forget what was actually said by Trump. He condemned the violence from both sides. And who initiated the violence? Antifa. They came armed with bags of urine and feces as well as clubs, helmets and sheilds. They came to protest without a permit too. They just came to fight. What great people. Who knows what diseases all of those bodily excretions were contaminated with. They have done this time after time and I don't see a single socialist, like you, ever condemning their vile behavior. Antifa is fascist. You know, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it's a duck. Plain and simple.

You also ignore the fact that you socialists are tied hand and foot to Nazis. You know, National Socialists. The Nazis pre-WWII pushed almost exactly the same political agenda you guys do today. And you guys are just as consumed by hate as the Nazis were. It's ironic how antisemetic the Democrat party is and how they align themselves with the Arabs who hate Israel and all Jews. Just like the Nazis. Exactly the same.

If you would take an honest look at yourself and your political ideology and compare it to the political agenda of the Nazis you would find enough parallels to scare yourself half to death. However, I don't expect to see you ever take that step.
 

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Who knows what diseases all of those bodily excretions were contaminated with.
They're also known for stabbing people with syringes full of hiv positive blood, btw. These people are freaks.
Antifa is fascist. You know, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it's a duck. Plain and simple.
It's all so tiresome. They're communists, dude. Not fascists, communists.
You also ignore the fact that you socialists are tied hand and foot to Nazis. You know, National Socialists. The Nazis pre-WWII pushed almost exactly the same political agenda you guys do today. And you guys are just as consumed by hate as the Nazis were. It's ironic how antisemetic the Democrat party is and how they align themselves with the Arabs who hate Israel and all Jews. Just like the Nazis. Exactly the same.
Tiresome. You have no idea what is going on. The freaking Red Guard is marching in the streets attacking everyone right of Stalin and all you can do is say "hurr durr, you just like Hitler."
 

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They're also known for stabbing people with syringes full of hiv positive blood, btw. These people are freaks.

It's all so tiresome. They're communists, dude. Not fascists, communists.

Tiresome. You have no idea what is going on. The freaking Red Guard is marching in the streets attacking everyone right of Stalin and all you can do is say "hurr durr, you just like Hitler."

There isn't a nickel's worth of difference between socialism, fascisism, and communism. All three are based upon collectivism. All three put the government in control of everything. After Karl Marx's death Friedrich Engels admitted that both he and Marx were socialists. They used the term communist in the Communist Manifesto to separate themselves the rest of the socialists. It was simply a word game to make them look different.

Max Eastman, a leading socialist activist in the early 20th century, was friends with Lenin, and was invited to go to Russia to look at what the Bolsheviks were doing. He wrote in "The Masses" which he wrote and edited that what Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were doing was socialism. The Nazis were socialists too. National socialists. One of the socialist elite's greatest propoganda triumphs of the 20th century was convincing everyone that they hated Hitler when in fact that supported him wholeheartedly until the news of the killing of millions of people by the Nazis made that position too embarrassing. Their solution? They came up with the con of saying that the Nazis were right wing and that they were fascists not socialists.
 

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......They're communists, dude. Not fascists, communists.....

One reaches a point of extremism where all things are the same. Hitler and Stalin are a great example. What was the difference? Nothing. Two dictators on wars of conquest, oppressing their own people, running camps/gulags, murdering opponents. At this point, communist and fascist get blurred into the same thing.

It was only when Hitler doublecrossed Stalin that he switched sides to our side but that does not change what he was.

Which raises a great question: Were we really moral in WWII when our ally was just another Hitler?
 

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The choice to ally with Stalin was based not on moral but strategic imperatives. Many of the choices we made during that war (and all others) were so.
 

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In fact, the survival of a nation and execution of its interests demands that pragmatism be afforded greater importance than altruism.
 

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There isn't a nickel's worth of difference between socialism, fascisism, and communism.
I'm sorry dude, but this is just dumb.
All three are based upon collectivism.
No, Marxist sociailism and communism are based on a materialist historical narrative about the organized working class reclaiming their surplus value from their oppressors and creating a new classless society, or some such nonsense. Fascism is based on the idea of class cooperation and organic hierarchy. Tradition-with-a-capital-T, if you will.
All three put the government in control of everything. After Karl Marx's death Friedrich Engels admitted that both he and Marx were socialists. They used the term communist in the Communist Manifesto to separate themselves the rest of the socialists. It was simply a word game to make them look different.
Usage of the terms communist and socialist predate Marx by several decades. It's only been in the last 100 years that the terms have become synonymous with different ideas of how to achieve his goals.

Max Eastman, a leading socialist activist in the early 20th century, was friends with Lenin, and was invited to go to Russia to look at what the Bolsheviks were doing. He wrote in "The Masses" which he wrote and edited that what Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were doing was socialism.
I'm not sure quite why, but I actually laughed out loud when I read this. Cool story. Turns out the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks had the same goals.
The Nazis were socialists too. National socialists. One of the socialist elite's greatest propoganda triumphs of the 20th century was convincing everyone that they hated Hitler when in fact that supported him wholeheartedly until the news of the killing of millions of people by the Nazis made that position too embarrassing.
The NSDAP wasn't started by Hitler and those who actually took it into power in Germany. Hitler kept the name(and used red banners) in order to "trick" possible socialist and communist sympathizers into coming to meetings early on. There were some Marxist-leaning members of the party(see Gregor Strasser,) but they were all expelled from the party or killed in the Night of Long Knives.
And the socialist elite hated Hitler. The word privatization]/i] was invented by them as a slur to describe Hitler's was doing. Also he disbanded most of the labor unions in Germany*. Also, he LITERALLY THREW SOCIALISTS AND COMMUNISTS INTO CAMPS.

Their solution? They came up with the con of saying that the Nazis were right wing and that they were fascists not socialists.
This whole "right wing'='free market fundamentalist' thing needs to end.

*-He actually wasn't opposed to labor unions in principle. He just thought they were infiltrated by socialists and communists.

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One reaches a point of extremism where all things are the same. Hitler and Stalin are a great example.
Don't forget Genghis Khan, Mahmoud al Ghazni, and Andrew Jackson. Turns out communism, fascism, tribal chieftainism, theocratic imperialism and representative democracy are all just the same thing.

What was the difference? Nothing.
No, just no.
It was only when Hitler doublecrossed Stalin that he switched sides to our side but that does not change what he was.
Hitler thought that Stalin was going to doublecross him, so he did it first. Most historians agree on this.

Which raises a great question: Were we really moral in WWII when our ally was just another Hitler?
George Patton said:
We defeated the wrong enemy.

Thanks for reading my blog post.
 

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I'm sorry dude, but this is just dumb.
No, Marxist sociailism and communism are based on a materialist historical narrative about the organized working class reclaiming their surplus value from their oppressors and creating a new classless society, or some such nonsense. Fascism is based on the idea of class cooperation and organic hierarchy. Tradition-with-a-capital-T, if you will.
Usage of the terms communist and socialist predate Marx by several decades. It's only been in the last 100 years that the terms have become synonymous with different ideas of how to achieve his goals.

You need to read Friedrich Hayek's book, The Road to Serfdom. In it he lays out the parallels between all three totalitarian ideologies and shows how little difference there is between them. From your statement it's plain you've been taught a very common bunch of myths.
 

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You need to read Friedrich Hayek's book, The Road to Serfdom. In it he lays out the parallels between all three totalitarian ideologies and shows how little difference there is between them. From your statement it's plain you've been taught a very common bunch of myths.
I've read it. I used to be a libertarian. You're missing the point of what I'm getting at. Sure, there are parallels between any two forms of government, but communism and fascism and national socialism and representative democracy are entirely different things that result in entirely different ways of life(Stalin's Red Fascism notwithstanding).
Have you read The Doctrine of Fascism, or Capital? If not, you should.
And don't be so presumptuous.

Edit: Add Mein Kampf to that list, cuz why not.
 

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I've read it. I used to be a libertarian. You're missing the point of what I'm getting at. Sure, there are parallels between any two forms of government, but communism and fascism and national socialism and representative democracy are entirely different things that result in entirely different ways of life(Stalin's Red Fascism notwithstanding).
Have you read The Doctrine of Fascism, or Capital? If not, you should.
And don't be so presumptuous.

Edit: Add Mein Kampf to that list, cuz why not.

Max Eastman, who was the first editor-in-chief of the rag The Masses, was invited by a guy by the name of Lenin to Russia just after their revolution. Max Eastman was the leading socialist activist in the US during the time period. He wrote almost all the articles that appeared in The Masses. Just in case you forgot about the following quote from The Road to Serfdom I'll quote it again for you.

In recent years, however, the old apprehensions of the
unforeseen consequences of socialism have once more been
strongly voiced from the most unexpected quarters. Observer
after observer, in spite of the contrary expectation with which he
approached his subject, has been impressed with the extraordin-
ary similarity in many respects of the conditions under "fas-
cism" and "communism". While "progressives" in this country
and elsewhere were still deluding themselves that communism
and fascism represented opposite poles, more and more people
began to ask themselves whether these new tyrannies were not
the outcome of the same tendencies. Even communists must
have been somewhat shaken by such testimonies as that of Mr.
Max Eastman, Lenin's old friend, who found himself compelled
to admit that "instead of being better, Stalinism is worse than
fascism, more ruthless, barbarous, unjust, immoral, anti-
democratic, unredeemed by any hope or scruple", and that it is
"better described as superfascist"; and when we find the same
author recognising that "Stalinism is socialism, in the sense of
being an inevitable although unforeseen political accompani-
ment of the nationalisation and collectivisation which he had
relied upon as part of his plan for erecting a classless society", 1
his conclusion clearly achieves wider significance.
Chapter 2 The Great Utopia pages 27, 28

I'm not sure if the paging from my pdf copy of one of the earlier versions of the book is the same as the current version but the chapter alone should suffice to make it easy to find.

Notice that socialism, communism, and fascism are basically interchangable ideologies. Both Hitler and Mussolini were socialists to begin with and easily slid over into fascism. The academic and journalism world claims that the USSR(Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) was communist, but those who knew exactly what it was, as Eastman was given unlimited access to Soviet documentation and unlimited travel around Russian by Lenin, said the USSR was socialist. Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin were all Marxists. Chairman Mao was a dedicated Marxist. Fidel Castro was a dedicated Marxist. And Karl Marx is the author of modern day socialism. So to try to pretend that there are significant differences between communism and socialism is just intellectually dishonest in my book. And when Stalinism was nothing more than fascism on steroids there is no real difference between fascism and socialism either. This is far more than just having a few parallels between all three ideologies.

All three are known as collectivism. That means they can all be classified under the same banner, which means there is very little difference between the three of them. And all three are totalitarian in nature. When government tells business what to produce, when to produce it, how much of it to produce, where to distribute those goods, what to charge for them, etc... what difference does it make if the government owns the business outright or there is a titular owner? In any of these ideologies if private ownership is allowed the owners become, for all intents and purposes, nothing more than middle managers for they make no decisions as to the direction of the company or what it is to produce, the pricing structure, or distribution channels. They, for all intents and purposes, have no say in their own business.

Just for your info, I've read Hitler, Marx, Engels, Keynes, and many of the other proponents of Marx. Not a one of them make a lick of sense.
 
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