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  • #16
    Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    Unlike you Democrats who considered diversity to be a thing of skin color only, we Republicans have diversity of thought and we do not agree in lockstep with every single thing that every other Republican agrees with. I do not agree with Trump's infrastructure plans. I do agree with almost everything Trump is doing and I am pleased with his outstanding success with the economy, but I do not believe an infrastructure program is correct at this time when we are 20 trillion dollars in debt
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    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

    ― Theodore Roosevelt

    Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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    • #17
      Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
      Man you must have been smoking crack to come up with that idea.
      Takes one to know one?
      Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
      First of all nobody is going to subsidize our military.
      President Trump has already begun trying to get more contribution from NATO partners. And the idea comes from justice. The workers are worthy of their hire. Our brave armed forces protect the whole world from evil, it's not just us blessed Americans who benefit from what our service members have been doing for decades and still do today. They help the whole world, so justice dictates that the whole world should pay them.
      Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
      Other countries May occasionally subsidized specific operations that enhance their own security, but nobody will ever subsidize our military in general. Second of all since we are 20 trillion dollars in debt which is a number that can have catastrophic consequences, we have no business spending money on stupid b******* like this. If we ever were to amazingly bring the budget into balance, all money should go towards paying off our insane debt. Using your logic, a family would have 20 Tapped Out credit cards, and if they could get somebody to make a few payments on a couple of them then that's an excuse to tap out a few more credit cards. Insane
      The question was posed in the OP. We're not actually making policy here. Of course our debt is tremendous, and the OP said that we need to spend more than a fifth of that on infrastructure maintenance in the next <10 years, which is about what we'll be spending on active duty military over that same time frame (not including VA, which is just about as large an expense all by itself). I was just comparing the relative magnitudes and commenting on them, offering up a thought.

      Excuse me.
      "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

      @Nee_Nihilo

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      • #18
        Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
        Unlike you Democrats who considered diversity to be a thing of skin color only, we Republicans have diversity of thought and we do not agree in lockstep with every single thing that every other Republican agrees with.
        That's right. The Republicans are the big tent. Everybody's welcome. To be a Democrat, you have to believe the authorized Democrat narrative. It's why it's the R word, if you're not a Democrat, to run as any other party than a Republican, because the Republican party already has the election infrastructure in place to help you get elected.
        Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
        I do not agree with Trump's infrastructure plans. I do agree with almost everything Trump is doing and I am pleased with his outstanding success with the economy, but I do not believe an infrastructure program is correct at this time when we are 20 trillion dollars in debt
        Infrastructure work is jobs, and the right infrastructure work will lead to building booms, which is more jobs. I think that's all he's thinking.
        "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

        @Nee_Nihilo

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        • #19
          Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
          LOL. Yeah, right. Obama incurred more debt than all other previous presidents combined but I never heard you complain about the Socialist Kenyan Pig. So you can save your crapola about Trump
          That's because you're an idiot binary thinker who assumes anyone criticizing Trump must be a democrat.

          Here

          and this should suffice

          Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
          What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Obama isn't in office. In addition, I never voted for Obama and have long been an advocate of balanced budgets so you're off-base here.



          You are so naive. We spend $600 billion on defense as it is. He wants to increase this by $54 billion. He "deserves" to do this? It's our money not Trump's. Who says he deserves to do this? Tax cuts will increase the deficit. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING if we are going to cut taxes. Cutting taxes and increasing spending is not going to reduce our debt. Math obviously isn't your strong suit.

          How is he going to reduce our debt?

          Do you care at all about deficits or balanced budgets or are you just another big brother liberal who doesn't care one bit about the government spending us into oblivion?

          Amazing. Trump supporters are just as clueless as Obama supporters but they all have equally big mouths about how bad the other guy was/is.
          Or
          Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
          Certainly but let's talk modern history

          The deficit is real. Spending must be cut. The need to cut spending is now dictated by rather simple math. We're insolvent.



          Efficiency can only be spoken of relative to the level of inefficiency we're dealing with. Do you agree that a dollar taxed to be redistributed can never be a full dollar redistributed?

          What have democrats done to show this efficiency (less inefficiency)?



          I agree with all of the above. Whether it would be enough is the question....



          It depends on what measure of inflation you're buying into. When the U.S. Treasury prints $40 billion per month that previously never existed to buy mortgages that have no market value, who gets hurt?

          The middle class.

          This is more relevant than the incomplete data found in the CPI from the BLS.



          or this


          The value of the dollar is going down the toilet. What foreign investors will want to hold it? If a new reserve currency ever gets pushed through, the dollar has had it.
          Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
          Try to stay on topic



          I never once voted for Obama.

          You know what, you may be too stupid to participate in this thread. Perhaps you should refrain.
          [MENTION=15148]CatholicCrusader[/MENTION] - you should probably also refrain. You're probably too stupid to participate.
          “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

          ― Theodore Roosevelt

          Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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          • #20
            Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
            LOL. Yeah, right. Obama incurred more debt than all other previous presidents combined
            And Trump is one track spend about the same.


            Barack Obama: Added $8.588 trillion, a 74 percent increase from the $11.657 trillion debt at the end of Bush’s last budget, FY 2009.

            FY 2017 - $672 billion.
            FY 2016 - $1.423 trillion.
            FY 2015 - $327 billion.
            FY 2014 - $1.086 trillion.
            FY 2013 - $672 billion.
            FY 2012 - $1.276 trillion.
            FY 2011 - $1.229 trillion.
            FY 2010 - $1.652 trillion.
            FY 2009 - $253 billion. Congress passed the Economic Stimulus Act, which spent $253 billion in FY 2009. This rare occurrence should be added to President Obama's contribution to the debt.



            That's bad


            Donald Trump: As projected in the FY 2019 budget, Trump plans to add $4.775 trillion, a 29 percent increase from the $20.245 trillion debt at the end of Obama's last budget for FY 2017.

            FY 2021 - $1.119 trillion.
            FY 2020 - $1.198 trillion.
            FY 2019 - $1.225 trillion.
            FY 2018 - $1.233 trillion.



            That's not looking much better. How about not sticking your head in the sand every time a Republican is in office... That'd be great

            US Debt by President by Dollar and Percent
            Who Increased the U.S. Debt the Most? Depends on How You Measure It.


            The ‘Trump economy’ vs. the ‘Obama economy’
            “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

            ― Theodore Roosevelt

            Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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            • #21
              National debt tops $22 trillion for the first time as experts warn of ripple effects


              The national debt surpassed $22 trillion for the first time on Tuesday, a milestone that experts warned is further proof the country is on an unsustainable financial path that could jeopardize the economic security of every American.

              The Treasury Department reported the debt hit $22.012 trillion, a jump of more than $30 billion in just this month.

              The national debt has been rising at a faster rate following the passage of President Donald Trump’s $1.5 trillion tax-cut package a little more than a year ago and as the result of congressional efforts to increase spending on domestic and military programs. The nation has added more than $1 trillion in debt in the last 11 months alone.

              “Reaching this unfortunate milestone so rapidly is the latest sign that our fiscal situation is not only unsustainable but accelerating,” said Michael A. Peterson, chief executive officer of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, a nonpartisan organization working to address the country’s long-term fiscal challenges.

              “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

              ― Theodore Roosevelt

              Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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              • #22
                Originally posted by The Berean View Post
                China is a totalitarian nation and can spend money however they wish. Japan and France are small nations geographically compared to America. So do you not care at all about how much a high speed rail will actually cost? Here in California the high speed rail has MASSIVE cost overruns and was behind schedule by over a decade. These things don't bother you? As a California taxpayer they greatly bother me. Plus

                those high speed rail systems in Japan and France lose money. They are unprofitable.

                if there was profit to be made in them, private individuals like musk would be champing at the bit to invest their own money

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                  if there was profit to be made in them, private individuals like musk would be champing at the bit to invest their own money
                  Exactly. The first Intercontinental Railroad that was complete in 1869 was government funded and the private companies took advantage of lack of government oversight to line their pockets. They figured that was the only way to turn a profit on the railroad construction. LOL!
                  Your problem is not technology. The problem is YOU. You lack the will to change...You treat this planet as you treat each other. - Klaatu

                  What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist. Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself. - TomO

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                  . -Ktoyou

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                  • #24
                    I doubt diesel railroads are practical, but I don't see expansion railroads to come. Meglev is a supercooled joke, and may even be worse than diesel.

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                    • #25
                      Liberals like the Whiz are so pathetic. They change the subject, tell some lies, then go on a rant about something that the thread is not even about.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
                        Liberals like the Whiz
                        I’m not a liberal.

                        They change the subject,
                        Deficits impact the ability to invest in infrastructure.

                        tell some lies
                        Quote one

                        then go on a rant about something that the thread is not even about.
                        Who started this thread anyway?
                        “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

                        ― Theodore Roosevelt

                        Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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                        • #27
                          This site is pretty cool and has a lot of good info about high-speed rail.




                          HSR is currently in operation in more than 20 countries (including the UK, France, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Turkey, Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan). HSR is under construction in more than 10 countries (including China, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, France, Spain, and Italy); and in development in another 14 countries (including Qatar, Morocco, Iran, Russia, Poland, Portugal, Bangladesh, South Africa, India, Argentina, Mexico, and Brazil). HSR has been in operation in Japan for 50 years carrying more than 9 billion passengers without a single fatality.



                          The US might not be ready yet due to fiscal constraints but HSR is definitely expanding across the globe. Has anyone ever ridden on one? I'm curious what the experience is like.
                          “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

                          ― Theodore Roosevelt

                          Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                            This site is pretty cool and has a lot of good info about high-speed rail......
                            Info about High Speed Rail:
                            • It's stupid
                            • Its a waste of money
                            • Its a boondoggle
                            • Its breathing final breaths into old technology
                            • It expands government bureaucracy
                            • We don't need it
                            • It might work okay in tiny countries bit its dumb for America
                            • It taxes the poor to give a perk to the rich

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                              This site is pretty cool and has a lot of good info about high-speed rail.




                              HSR is currently in operation in more than 20 countries (including the UK, France, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Turkey, Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan). HSR is under construction in more than 10 countries (including China, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, France, Spain, and Italy); and in development in another 14 countries (including Qatar, Morocco, Iran, Russia, Poland, Portugal, Bangladesh, South Africa, India, Argentina, Mexico, and Brazil). HSR has been in operation in Japan for 50 years carrying more than 9 billion passengers without a single fatality.



                              The US might not be ready yet due to fiscal constraints but HSR is definitely expanding across the globe. Has anyone ever ridden on one? I'm curious what the experience is like.
                              I've rode the Japanese Shinkansen back in 2002. This bullet train is sooooo quiet and smooth. And fast! We traveled 450 miles in abut three hours.
                              Your problem is not technology. The problem is YOU. You lack the will to change...You treat this planet as you treat each other. - Klaatu

                              What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist. Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself. - TomO

                              I will do you, let's see, goofy, wacky, and to the left side of the bell curve
                              . -Ktoyou

                              I'm white. I'm not black. I can't convert to being black. It doesn't matter how much I want to become black. I could listen to rap and date fat white women all day; for all that, I'll still remain white.- Traditio

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