Christopher Steele wins libel case over Trump campaign dossier

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A British former spy has been exonerated by a US court for producing a dossier which made claims about the Trump campaign and its links to Russia.

Christopher Steele and his intelligence firm, Orbis, were sued by three Russian oligarchs - Mikhail Fridman, Petr Aven and German Khan – for libel, after they were named in the dossier.
http://theologyonline.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=6
The dossier, commissioned by a Democrat research organisation, contained explosive allegations against Donald Trump and his campaign and was leaked and published in early 2017.

The three Russians, who co-founded Russia’s largest private bank, sued for libel, but Judge Anthony Epstein, sitting in the Washington DC superior court, threw out their case.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...teele-wins-libel-case-trump-campaign-dossier/

Most of the dossier has been verified, and what hasn't been verified has not been disproven.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-one-year-later-what-we-know-777116
 
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it took you two and a half days to come up with that thinly veiled "i know you are but what am i?" :freak:


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Jerry Shugart

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Most of the dossier has been verified, and what hasn't been verified has not been disproven.
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Are you really this uninformed?

This is the only thing which was verified in regard to the charges made against Trump:

Trump maintains ties to rich businessmen from Azerbaijan.​

If anyone is really looking for the truth about Russia's interference in the election all you have to know that it was Hillary Clinton and the DNC who paid for the fake dossier! And then lied about where the money actually went!

Then when applying for a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign that truth was conveniently forgotten by those who were and are trying to frame Trump!

But you care nothing about the truth because you are too busy saying things which are obviously not true--that most of the dossier has been verified!
 
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It's got to be discouraging for the far right. They spent all this time, trying to sell a falsehood (the fake story Steele Dossier is what started the Russiagate probe), and then further investigation validates one thing after another in the dossier.
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Do you never actually read the news?

The FISA warrant that gave Obama's secret police the right to spy on the Trump campaign was totally dependent on the fake Steele Dossier, which was paid for by Hillary and the DNC.

Seems like you live in a fantasy world.
 
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It's got to be discouraging for the far right. They spent all this time, trying to sell a falsehood (the fake story Steele Dossier is what started the Russiagate probe), and then further investigation validates one thing after another in the dossier.

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Do you never actually read the news?
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That's how I knew that the dossier wasn't what started the Russiagate investigation, and that many of the claims in the dossier have since been validated (and so far, none have been refuted) If you paid attention to the news, you would have learned this.

The FISA warrant that gave Obama's secret police the right to spy on the Trump campaign was totally dependent on the fake Steele Dossier
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There's only the real Steele Dossier, and as you learned, much of it has already been confirmed. Would you like me to show you again? And as you know, the FBI, when they became aware of certain people in the Trump campaign having contacts with Russian agents, investigate. If you think that's "spying", then we've found your problem.

President Trump Claims His Campaign Was 'Spied' On. Here's What Really Happened
On Friday, the Washington Post and the New York Times reported that FBI agents sent an informant to talk to two Trump campaign advisers — Carter Page and George Papadopoulos — after it had received evidence of suspicious contacts with Russia. (The informant also met with Trump campaign aide Sam Clovis.)

According to the Times, the FBI used an informant, rather than sending its own agents to do interviews, because it feared a more aggressive approach might lead to leaks that an investigation was underway, which could improperly influence the election.
http://time.com/5288607/donald-trump-fbi-spygate/

Seems like you live in a fantasy world.
 
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It's got to be discouraging for the far right. They spent all this time, trying to sell a falsehood (the fake story Steele Dossier is what started the Russiagate probe), and then further investigation validates one thing after another in the dossier.

I feel their pain.
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As do I ... :D
 
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According to the Times, the FBI used an informant, rather than sending its own agents to do interviews, because it feared a more aggressive approach might lead to leaks that an investigation was underway, which could improperly influence the election.
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So the FBI isn't controlled by the "deep state" and actually took precautions to avoid negatively impacting Trump's campaign during its investigation. How are the Trump supporters able to live with so much cognitive dissonance?
 
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The Barbarian said:
A British former spy has been exonerated by a US court for producing a dossier which made claims about the Trump campaign and its links to Russia.

Christopher Steele and his intelligence firm, Orbis, were sued by three Russian oligarchs - Mikhail Fridman, Petr Aven and German Khan – for libel, after they were named in the dossier.
http://theologyonline.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=6
The dossier, commissioned by a Democrat research organisation, contained explosive allegations against Donald Trump and his campaign and was leaked and published in early 2017.

The three Russians, who co-founded Russia’s largest private bank, sued for libel, but Judge Anthony Epstein, sitting in the Washington DC superior court, threw out their case.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...teele-wins-libel-case-trump-campaign-dossier/

Most of the dossier has been verified, and what hasn't been verified has not been disproven.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-one-year-later-whjat-we-know-777116
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Proving libel is not that easy to do. doesn't mean the dossier is true
 
Jerry Shugart

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Most of the dossier has been verified, and what hasn't been verified has not been disproven.
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Why do you continue to make statements which are obviously untrue?

The Plantiff's lawyer had this to say:

“We strongly disagree with the court’s decision, which we will almost certainly appeal,” Lewis said in a statement. “We are, however, pleased that the court agreed that we have adequately proved Mr. Steele’s negligence in making unsupported accusations that our clients had something to do with alleged efforts to interfere in the 2016 election – which they did not. We respectfully disagree with Judge Epstein on a number of points and are confident that the appellate court will reinstate the plaintiffs’ claims.”​

Even your boy Comey admitted that the claims found in the fake dossier were "unverified."

This decision will be appealed and over-ruled!
 
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As of a year ago, this is what we knew:

The biggest certainty about the dossier today is that the debates over its veracity will continue for a long time. But for now, this is where its biggest accusations stand after one year:

Verified: Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met with representatives of Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft.

The dossier claimed Page held secret meetings in Moscow with Igor Sechin, a Putin ally who is the head of Rosneft.

Page vehemently denied that he met with Sechin. But in November, the House Intelligence Committee released a transcript of Page’s congressional testimony revealing he had in fact met with other Rosneft officials, including Sechin's subordinate Andrey Baranov, during a trip to Moscow in 2016.

According to the dossier, Rosneft officials used their meeting with Page to push for the U.S. to lift sanctions on Russia for its support of armed separatist groups in eastern Ukraine. It is now known that the Trump administration sought to water down a proposed Republican Party commitment to send “lethal weapons” to Ukraine’s army to fight off the Russian-backed separatists.

The Trump administration later showed little enthusiasm for implementing or renewing sanctions against Russia. In response, Congress eventually passed a law limiting Trump's ability to lift sanctions, which the president reluctantly signed after issuing a statement condemning it.

Verified: The Kremlin targeted educated youth and swing state voters during its cyber attacks in the 2016 campaign.

The dossier said educated youth and swing voters were a central target in the Kremlin's campaign of fake news and social media chaos, with the hope of cultivating their anti-establishment anger against Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. This has been proven by congressional investigations into Russia’s misinformation campaigns during the election, which also showed the cyber attacks were broadly aimed at a variety of voters, with the intent to sow divisions on heated political topics.

The Kremlin also successfully tricked American activists on the far-right and left into attending protests and signing up for self-defense classes in an effort to accentuate social discord, according to numerous media reports and analysis of Russian social media posts. The biggest certainty about the dossier today is that the debates over its veracity will continue for a long time. But for now, this is where its biggest accusations stand after one year:

Verified: Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met with representatives of Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft.

The dossier claimed Page held secret meetings in Moscow with Igor Sechin, a Putin ally who is the head of Rosneft.

Page vehemently denied that he met with Sechin. But in November, the House Intelligence Committee released a transcript of Page’s congressional testimony revealing he had in fact met with other Rosneft officials, including Sechin's subordinate Andrey Baranov, during a trip to Moscow in 2016.

According to the dossier, Rosneft officials used their meeting with Page to push for the U.S. to lift sanctions on Russia for its support of armed separatist groups in eastern Ukraine. It is now known that the Trump administration sought to water down a proposed Republican Party commitment to send “lethal weapons” to Ukraine’s army to fight off the Russian-backed separatists.

The Trump administration later showed little enthusiasm for implementing or renewing sanctions against Russia. In response, Congress eventually passed a law limiting Trump's ability to lift sanctions, which the president reluctantly signed after issuing a statement condemning it.

Verified: The Kremlin targeted educated youth and swing state voters during its cyber attacks in the 2016 campaign.

The dossier said educated youth and swing voters were a central target in the Kremlin's campaign of fake news and social media chaos, with the hope of cultivating their anti-establishment anger against Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. This has been proven by congressional investigations into Russia’s misinformation campaigns during the election, which also showed the cyber attacks were broadly aimed at a variety of voters, with the intent to sow divisions on heated political topics.

The Kremlin also successfully tricked American activists on the far-right and left into attending protests and signing up for self-defense classes in an effort to accentuate social discord, according to numerous media reports and analysis of Russian social media posts.

Verified: Trump maintains ties to rich businessmen from Azerbaijan.

The dossier said Azeri businessman Araz Agalarov knew the details about business bribes Trump had allegedly paid in Russia, as well as Trump's alleged sexual exploits there. Evidence of the bribes and sexual activities has never surfaced, but the connections between Trump and fellow billionaire are now well-established. Agalarov and his pop singer son Emin have known Trump for years, and both men worked with Trump on the Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow in 2013.

Emails released in July revealed that Agalarov’s publicist Rob Goldstone had written to Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr., to set up a meeting with a Russian lawyer who supposedly had dirt on Hillary Clinton, as part of what Goldstone called "Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump." Trump Jr. attended a Trump Tower meeting with the lawyer in June 2016 along with Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner. That meeting has become a major focus of the investigations into the Trump campaign. Goldstone allegedly organized the meeting at Emin Agalarov's behest.

Not proven: Russia had been cultivating Trump for years, or at all.
The dossier said Russia’s government has been cultivating, supporting and assisting Trump as a political candidate for at least five years ahead of his campaign. While it has been proven that Russia made numerous attempts to connect with officials in the Trump campaign during the campaign, there is no proof that Putin’s regime was in touch with Trump before that.

Not proven: Trump was offered real estate deals in Russia and turned them down.
The Kremlin allegedly had been offering lucrative real estate deals to Trump to help win him over, but he rejected them for reasons unknown, according to the dossier. Since its publication, it has been revealed that the Trump Organization was discussing a possible Trump Tower Moscow project in 2015, during the Republican primaries. But the fact that Trump’s lawyer Cohen emailed Russian President Vladimir Putin’s personal spokesman in 2016 begging for help with the stalled construction plan suggests that projects in Russia were not as easy or well-established for Trump as the dossier suggested. The email from Cohen to Putin’s spokesman Dimitry Peskov was sent to a generic email address, making it appear unlikely the men were in close contact through private channels. Trump Tower Moscow never happened, and there is no evidence of any other Trump deals with the Kremlin being considered in recent years.

Not proven: Trump's lawyer worked as an intermediary between Trump and Russia.
Specific claims about Cohen, such as the allegation that he traveled to Prague in August 2016 to meet with Kremlin associates, have not been substantiated. Cohen has repeatedly denied the claims and provided reporters with photos of his passport to show he had never traveled to meet with Russian officials.

Not proven: Trump is open to blackmail due to illicit sexual activities in Russia.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-one-year-later-what-we-know-777116

Since then, the Russian connection, including Trump's long association with oligarchs with ties to Putin have been revealed, as has his attempt to bribe Putin in order to get a construction job approved in Moscow:

Is floating a $50 million Trump Tower penthouse for Vladimir Putin illegal?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
 
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Delmar said:
Proving libel is not that easy to do. doesn't mean the dossier is true
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Quite true. And not all of it is confirmed; we can only say that many parts of it are confirmed and so far, none of it has been shown to be false.

That doesn't mean that there's no falsehood in it; it just means that no one yet has found any.
 
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Oh, and the "Cohen in Prague" report?

A mobile phone traced to President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016, at the height of the presidential campaign, leaving an electronic record to support claims that Cohen met secretly there with Russian officials, four people with knowledge of the matter say.

During the same period of late August or early September, electronic eavesdropping by an Eastern European intelligence agency picked up a conversation among Russians, one of whom remarked that Cohen was in Prague, two people familiar with the incident said.

The phone and surveillance data, which have not previously been disclosed, lend new credence to a key part of a former British spy’s dossier of Kremlin intelligence describing purported coordination between Trump’s campaign and Russia’s election meddling operation.
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article219016820.html#storylink=cpy

So there's one more confirmed. Unless Cohen lost his phone, someone took it and went to Prague, making a phone call on it, and then returning it to Cohen.

And the Russians might have been talking about some other Cohen who was working for Trump, who happened to be in Prague at the same time the thief was using Cohen's phone.

Might have happened that way... :plain:
 
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