Should California be divided into three seporate states?
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Foxfire
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There were no constitutional amendments that I'm aware of for the creation West Virginia, but there were congressional measures to facilitate the separation.
Ultimately, it seems that it was accomplished by a presidential decree.
annabenedetti
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Foxfire
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Article IV, Section 3 clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution:
"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."
"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."
Foxfire
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I'm not currently a resident of Cali, but over the course of my life I have lived within in the boundaries of each of the three proposed (sub)states.
I can empathize with the more rural areas that are competing with highly populated regions of the state for resources.
annabenedetti
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I understand that, but the rural areas also disproportionally benefit from the tax monies collected from the coastal urban areas.
Foxfire
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I understand that, but the rural areas also disproportionally benefit from the tax monies collected from the coastal urban areas.
I would think that to be all the more incentive for the high density populated regions to break away from those that disproportionately benefit.
annabenedetti
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Many of the urban coastal voters know they're paying taxes for the greater good of the population, particularly those most in need of social safety nets, monies for infrastructure, subsidies, etc. Many of the libertarian/conservative rural voters will vote against anything that raises taxes, and then spend time complaining about the coastal liberals.
Foxfire
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Per capita distributions aren't always an accurate measure of real impact. States with low populations can be said to have more congressional representation "per capita" than higher populated states. Particularly as per the Senate.
One of the major complaints espoused by proponents of the measure is the imbalance of political representation in both statewide and national arenas.
Because this is a Christian forum, and since no one has done so yet, allow me to share what God says about moving land boundaries...
“You shall not remove your neighbor’s landmark, which the men of old have set, in your inheritance which you will inherit in the land that the Lord your God is giving you to possess. - Deuteronomy 19:14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy19:14&version=NKJV
‘Cursed is the one who moves his neighbor’s landmark.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ - Deuteronomy 27:17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy27:17&version=NKJV
Do not remove the ancient landmark Which your fathers have set. - Proverbs 22:28 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs22:28&version=NKJV
Do not remove the ancient landmark, Nor enter the fields of the fatherless;For their Redeemer is mighty; He will plead their cause against you. - Proverbs 23:10-11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs23:10-11&version=NKJV
“You shall not remove your neighbor’s landmark, which the men of old have set, in your inheritance which you will inherit in the land that the Lord your God is giving you to possess. - Deuteronomy 19:14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy19:14&version=NKJV
‘Cursed is the one who moves his neighbor’s landmark.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ - Deuteronomy 27:17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy27:17&version=NKJV
Do not remove the ancient landmark Which your fathers have set. - Proverbs 22:28 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs22:28&version=NKJV
Do not remove the ancient landmark, Nor enter the fields of the fatherless;For their Redeemer is mighty; He will plead their cause against you. - Proverbs 23:10-11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs23:10-11&version=NKJV
Sure. It is likely to reduce their influence in elections. Northern and Southern Cali do not march in lock step so who knows. Could be interesting. New flags and all.
Sorry, but this does not seem to apply. All my neighbors landmarks remain untouched, they just change the address of where they send their taxes.
The diminished influence in the election is exactly why I wouldn't want to see Cali split up. Too. Many. Red. States.
We need more purple states. I can't vote red or blue anymore. Neither is an accurate representation of my political views.
Foxfire
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By that measure we would have to cede California, along with the rest of the continent, back to the First Nations. :think:
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Foxfire
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I grew up on a res in Northern Cal. I'd dare you to try and explain that to them.
So....back to the OP subject?
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