Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 5

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I'm well aware of what the pro LGBTQ stance on reparative/conversion therapy is, and much of it is based on the testimonies of those who allegedly tried it and allegedly were subjected to horrendous unethical procedures.

In order for their testimonies to have validity, they must first come forward with specifics (place, date, name of therapist, procedures used).

As I've shown through numerous examples (Samuel Britton, Brielle Goldani, etc.) these proud and unrepentant homosexuals are not only living a lie, they're telling lies about therapy for unwanted same sex desires.

Nobody has to jump through any of your hoops aCW. The fact of the matter is that no credited professional body gives such "therapy" any credence whatsoever and it's roundly condemned from all such circles for being ineffective at best and substantially harmful on the other end of the scale. Centers aren't just being shut down on a whim. Heck, when I first asked you about such places and the "therapy" that went on you freely admitted that you didn't know, a rare moment of transparent honesty from you. You've been educated since.

Which brings me to the State of Taxachusetts and what MassResistance has achieved there.

Back with that later.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I'm well aware of what the pro LGBTQ stance on reparative/conversion therapy is, and much of it is based on the testimonies of those who allegedly tried it and allegedly were subjected to horrendous unethical procedures.

In order for their testimonies to have validity, they must first come forward with specifics (place, date, name of therapist, procedures used).

As I've shown through numerous examples (Samuel Britton, Brielle Goldani, etc.) these proud and unrepentant homosexuals are not only living a lie, they're telling lies about therapy for unwanted same sex desires.




Which brings me to the State of Taxachusetts and what MassResistance has achieved there.

Back with that later.

Um, what have they achieved exactly?

https://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/06/massachusetts_house_bans_conve.html

 

[Kit the Coyote]

Quote: Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
One more thing before I move on:

Tell me more about this avatar that you use in another forum.

Kinda odd that you'd create a bare chested Fabio look alike to fit in with these Inuyasha characters.

Adding a touch of homosexuality to Anime are ya Kit?

Honestly, I had trouble with figuring out the avatar editing features of the system starting out and he wound up being far more muscular than I was aiming for but figured it worked for the Wildling barbarian he was supposed to be.

And if you think that homosexuality doesn't exist in anime/manga, I suggest you search the term Yaoi.

Not that it mattered much, Karamoon was a medieval fantasy role play area, not sexual and mostly straight players. Twice during the years I played there I joined with some other players to have a family once with lady who ran the tavern in the Port and the second with the queen of the Drow Elves in the Underdark caverns. Both families had some players join to play our children. I have some pictures from the weddings if you want to see them.

 

[Kit the Coyote]

Let's see what you wrote again:

Quote: Originally posted by Kit the Coyote:
So just like conversion therapy the potential harm [of adult-child sex] far outweighs any possible non-harm and thus my position on such relationships.

So you're stating that there is "potential harm" when a homosexual adult has sex (i.e. rapes) a child? That's right, you don't deal in "absolutes" (unless it's belittling reparative/conversion therapy), hence your use of the word "potential".

What if I were to tell you that there is ALWAYS harm when a child has homosexual relationships with an adult?

I would say that you are probably right.

Are you talking about the same legal system whose "safeguards" allow children to be indoctrinated in schools to the ways of homosexuality? "Safeguards" which allow children being taken to public displays of depravity (i.e. gay pride parades) etc. etc. etc. ?

Yes.

Yet your LGBTQ movement calls them liars, and by not supporting therapy that they've gone through for their unwanted same sex desires, wouldn't you also be calling them liars?

What others may or not say is their problem. Lying requires an awareness and intent if they believe what they say they are not liars. That does not mean that what they believe is accurate or that the therapies involve even if it did help them does not do more harm than good.

Have you ever been accused of being a pathological liar Kit?

So I'm the first? You're running with the wrong crowd Kit.

Yes, you would be the first.

Tell me, you do realize that attacking the messenger is a sign of desperation in a debate? Demeaning my character when you don't even know me does nothing to prove the relevance of your points unless you are trying to distract from the relevance of mine.

 

[ok doser]

Tell me, you do realize that attacking the messenger is a sign of desperation in a debate?

:freak:

what makes you think this is a debate?

 

[Kit the Coyote]

:freak:

what makes you think this is a debate?

It is what I hope for, a discussion of opposing viewpoints. I will admit it is hard to find good ones on the internet but one hopes.

 

[ok doser]

It is what I hope for, a discussion ...

there ya go


this is a discussion board

i liken it to a cocktail party with disparate sorts standing around, some of whom never leave their little corner, some of whom wander around sampling everything that's available


don't get stuck in this little corner

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Tell me, you do realize that attacking the messenger is a sign of desperation in a debate? Demeaning my character when you don't even know me does nothing to prove the relevance of your points unless you are trying to distract from the relevance of mine.

You're confusing attacking with exposing. Your LGBTQ movement stands for evil things, I'm here to expose them and anyone who identifies with them for the pure evil that they promote.

Oh and btw: ok doser is a Libertarian just like you, so don't let him fool you.

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?116880-The-Perversion-of-Libertarianism&highlight=

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Which brings me to the State of Taxachusetts and what MassResistance has achieved there.

Back with that later.

Um, what have they achieved exactly?

https://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/06/massachusetts_house_bans_conve.html

State legislatures have both a House and a Senate. As you pointed out in your link (which stated a lie because conversion therapy isn't solely about changing from homosexual to heterosexual desires), the attempt by Massachusetts to ban loving parents to seek therapy for their child that has homosexual desires or has gender identity problems (in many cases the child wants the therapy) passed in the Massachusetts House.

And now for the rest of the story (btw Arthur, I have good news for you, it's been banned in another State...I'll talk about Delaware later).

MassResistance activists stop LGBT anti-therapy bill in Massachusetts Legislature!
Two weeks of hard, uncompromising pressure on State Senate paid off.
Despite complete cave-in by “pro-family” state Senators – and corruption by Senate leadership.

The MassResistance handout. When dealing with these legislators, you have to be very direct!
In state legislatures across the country, the well-funded national LGBT lobby has been pushing bans on therapy that would help youth deal with “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” issues. Unfortunately, they have been successful in at least 14 states. These cruel laws support a radical ideology – without care for the harm done to vulnerable children.
For the third legislative session in a row in Massachusetts the LGBT movement pushed a therapy ban bill – and again MassResistance was a major force in stopping it. This time it got farther than before: It passed the House, then ran out of steam in the Senate literally in the last few minutes of the formal legislative session (which ended July 31).

No-holds-barred lobbying approach
The Massachusetts Senate is probably the most left-wing in the country, and arguably one of the most corrupt. So lobbying there was quite a challenge.
We don’t hold back. During the last two weeks of July, MassResistance activists relentlessly pounded all 38 members of the Senate with waves of phone calls, emails, and office visits. We took a very direct, no-holds-barred approach. Our handout was hand delivered to each member and also emailed to them multiple times. At the State House our activists used talking points we made for them.
Most pro-family groups take a “moderate” approach to this bill. They don’t want to offend the LGBT activists or the liberals. But that weak approach never works.

Article to be continued...

 

[aCultureWarrior]

MassResistance handout to the Massachusetts State Senate (page 1)

Why you must vote “NO” on H4664 – a cruel, dangerous, and unconstitutional bill

Bill H4664 is deceptively and dishonestly titled, “An Act relative to abusive practices to change sexual orientation and gender identity in minors.” In fact, it puts vulnerable children in danger to support a radical ideology.

Homosexual and transgender behavior in children is very often a result of early sexual trauma such as sexual molestation, rape, exposure to pornography, abuse, or serious issues with one or both parents. Victimized youth can become further traumatized and even suicidal.

Skilled mental health professionals can often help them heal their severe emotional wounds and work through their issues. For many, it is literally a life-saver.

But radical activists want to make it illegal to offer this help to children because it contradicts their political agenda. They believe that parents and children should not have a choice in this matter.

That’s why this bill has already been rejected by nearly 20 states – because it puts vulnerable children in danger in order to please some radical activists. Just this month it failed in Maine.

Victims came and testified

Many people came and gave very emotional testimony at the Massachusetts State House during a public hearing. Here are just a few:

"Reparative therapy saved my life. I was one of those 5-year-old boys who was sexually abused . . . Very often homosexual feelings arise in puberty because of one's sexual abuse. . . I didn't know how to deal with those issues." - David P.

"I did not choose to be sexually abused as a child, but I did choose homosexual behavior … And I spent a lifetime fighting depression, addiction, suicide … This bill is designed to condemn children like we were to that same experience. Licensed professional therapists through reparative therapy help sexual abuse victims like me heal from trauma." - Robin G.

“I am a mother whose son who was seeing a therapist to deal with damaging childhood experiences that can lead to homosexuality … I vehemently plead with you to reject this bill and give these children a fighting chance to avoid a lifetime of psychological pain and serious health issues.” - Diane S.

(over . . .)

 

[aCultureWarrior]

MassResistance handout to Massachusetts State Senate (page 2)

Misinformation and lies being used to push this bill

To push this bill, activists in Massachusetts and other states are conducting a lobbying campaign of disinformation and manufactured hysteria. They’ve dishonestly labeled it as “conversion therapy.” Bill H4664 uses terms such as “assigned sex at birth” and other marks of unscientific quackery.

Lies: They tell lurid and completely untrue stories about children being electrocuted and other alleged bizarre abuses by therapists. Fact: There have been no documented complaints to regulatory agencies of such abuses by professional therapists in nearly 50 years.

Misinformation: They claim that “research” shows that this professional therapy causes depression, anxiety, and self-destructive behavior. Fact: Such “research” is from radical activist sources and completely untrustworthy. In fact, the exact opposite is true: Good therapy helps heal those problems in children.

Misinformation: They are also claiming that the American Psychological Association (APA) issued a statement “condemning conversion therapy.” The facts: But they don’t tell you that a past president of the APA, Dr. Nicholas Cummings, told reporters that the APA is intimidated and harassed by the ‘gay rights’ movement and “does not allow open debate” on this issue. Moreover Dr. Cummings said publicly that he used this therapy and saw it to be successful.

Unconstitutional in light of recent US Supreme Court ruling

This bill is clearly unconstitutional. On June 26, 2018, the US Supreme Court ruled in NIFLA v Becerra that the government cannot create a “professional speech” category that has less protection than the First Amendment. According to Liberty Counsel, the winning legal team in that case, it definitely applies with this type of bill.

There is no other health topic that a qualified health care provider is not allowed to talk about! It is an absurd attempt to limit patients’ choice.

You must vote NO on this terrible bill – H4664. Do not let radical special interests dictate on this life or death for vulnerable children.

For more information contact: Parents’ Rights Coalition / MassResistance PO Box 1612 Waltham, Massachusetts 02454 781-890-6001
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen3/18c/MA-Bill-H4664/docs/Vote-NO-H6446.pdf
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen3/18c/MA-Bill-H4664/victory.html

 

[Arthur Brain]

You really do just swallow any ole bunk don't you aCW? "Massresistance" is just another wingnut group promoting wingnut propaganda. There's valid reasons why these "therapy" centers are being shut all over America and it has nothing to do with some "LGBTQ agenda". It's quackery, it doesn't work and it's harmful. Them's the facts but you've never really been interested in those have ya?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=HkvbKQ_8kwQ
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen3/18c/MA-Bill-H4664/victory.html

 

[aCultureWarrior]

You really do just swallow any ole bunk don't you aCW? "Massresistance" is just another wingnut group promoting wingnut propaganda. There's valid reasons why these "therapy" centers are being shut all over America and it has nothing to do with some "LGBTQ agenda". It's quackery, it doesn't work and it's harmful. Them's the facts but you've never really been interested in those have ya?

The Massachusetts State Senate, one of the most, if not the most liberal State Senates in the US, decided not to ban therapy based on the information MassResistance provided.

So that you don't get overly depressed with the news from Massachusetts, Delaware became the 15th? State to ban conversion/reparative therapy.

https://www.delaware1059.com/news/d...cle_02148f0a-8f27-11e8-9b90-031863bb77bc.html

Delaware isn't real big on parental rights, as they're proposing to allow a child as young as 5 to decide what race or gender they are, what name they want to go by, and even use hormone blockers without parental knowledge/consent.


Delaware Proposes Allowing Children to Choose Race or Gender (Including Hormone Drugs) Without Parents’ Knowledge


Delaware: Governor John Carney declared a new state policy, called ‘Prohibition of Discrimination’, that allows children from K to 12 to choose their own name, race, or gender identify, and even access hormone blockers necessary to transition to the opposite sex, all without the knowledge of their parents. Students would be able to join any sports team they choose and use bathrooms and showers according their chosen identity. Parents are outraged over the proposal, and over 11,000 public comments submitted to Delaware’s Department of Education have been overwhelmingly negative. Schools in Chicago, Massachusetts and Oregon have similar policies in place.
https://needtoknow.news/2018/02/del...ding-hormone-drugs-without-parents-knowledge/
http://regulations.delaware.gov/register/november2017/proposed/21 DE Reg 364 11-01-17.pdf

As it's been shown time and time again, the LGBTQ movement is nothing but a bunch of child molesters.

Back later with what's going on in New Jersey, another one of the the States that has banned therapy for youth with homosexual desires/gender confusion.

 

[ok doser]

Delaware isn't real big on parental rights, as they're proposing to allow a child as young as 5 to decide what race or gender they are, what name they want to go by, and even use hormone blockers without parental consent.

which is just a step away from allowing them to decide whether to be sexually active

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally posted by Kit the Coyote
It is what I hope for, a discussion of opposing viewpoints. I will admit it is hard to find good ones on the internet but one hopes.

there ya go


this is a discussion board

i liken it to a cocktail party with disparate sorts standing around, some of whom never leave their little corner, some of whom wander around sampling everything that's available


don't get stuck in this little corner

Why should the guy in the corner who has extremely informative material wander about the room when the people in the room have been coming to him?

 

[Arthur Brain]

The Massachusetts State Senate, one of the most, if not the most liberal State Senates in the US, decided not to ban therapy based on the information MassResistance provided.

So that you don't get overly depressed with the news from Massachusetts, Delaware became the 15th? State to ban conversion/reparative therapy.

https://www.delaware1059.com/news/d...cle_02148f0a-8f27-11e8-9b90-031863bb77bc.html

Delaware isn't real big on parental rights, as they're proposing to allow a child as young as 5 to decide what race or gender they are, what name they want to go by, and even use hormone blockers without parental knowledge/consent.


Delaware Proposes Allowing Children to Choose Race or Gender (Including Hormone Drugs) Without Parents’ Knowledge


Delaware: Governor John Carney declared a new state policy, called ‘Prohibition of Discrimination’, that allows children from K to 12 to choose their own name, race, or gender identify, and even access hormone blockers necessary to transition to the opposite sex, all without the knowledge of their parents. Students would be able to join any sports team they choose and use bathrooms and showers according their chosen identity. Parents are outraged over the proposal, and over 11,000 public comments submitted to Delaware’s Department of Education have been overwhelmingly negative. Schools in Chicago, Massachusetts and Oregon have similar policies in place.
https://needtoknow.news/2018/02/del...ding-hormone-drugs-without-parents-knowledge/
http://regulations.delaware.gov/register/november2017/proposed/21 DE Reg 364 11-01-17.pdf

As it's been shown time and time again, the LGBTQ movement is nothing but a bunch of child molesters.

Back later with what's going on in New Jersey, another one of the the States that has banned therapy for youth with homosexual desires/gender confusion.

Dude, it's gonna be banned across the board in due course so deal with it. The abusive and useless practices have been shown up for what they are and about time too.

 

[ok doser]

Dude, it's gonna be banned across the board in due course so deal with it. The abusive and useless practices have been shown up for what they are and about time too.

would those be the same "abusive and useless practices" that MrDainty can't provide evidence for?

 

[Kit the Coyote]

You're confusing attacking with exposing. Your LGBTQ movement stands for evil things, I'm here to expose them and anyone who identifies with them for the pure evil that they promote.

Oh and btw: ok doser is a Libertarian just like you, so don't let him fool you.

Fine by me, I really only post here anymore to provide a contrasting voice for other readers. The more you engage in such tactics the more reasonable my posts appear.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
You're confusing attacking with exposing. Your LGBTQ movement stands for evil things, I'm here to expose them and anyone who identifies with them for the pure evil that they promote.

Fine by me, I really only post here anymore to provide a contrasting voice for other readers. The more you engage in such tactics the more reasonable my posts appear.

I hate to be the one to break it to you Kit, but you're far from being a "contrasting voice" here on TOL, you're more the norm than the exception. The same people that debate you in other threads have been your allies in this one. Quite the show they're putting on isn't it?.

Feel free to continue to post in this thread because unlike Arthur Brain, I sense an ounce of intelligence in you (note that I didn't say an ounce of decency) and enjoy debating you, hence the reason I invited you to TOL.

That being said: I've exposed you for what you are and there is no need for me to do it in future discussions, if we should have them.