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  • Originally posted by gcthomas View Post
    There hasn't been one since. There was a cold spell in the Northern latitudes often called the Little Ice Age, but it wasn't actually an ice age of course. Which ice age were you thinking of?
    You do realize the biggest changes in temperatures will be where there is more landmass?

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    • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post

      we are getting record high temperatures for the Earth each year
      Let's say your record temperatures claim is correct. Which is more powerful? Water or carbon dioxide?



      How much water have we put into the atmosphere through increased irrigation over the same time period?



      How do you know it's not the increase in temperatures that is causing the increase in carbon dioxide?

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      • Originally posted by ClimateSanity View Post
        Let's say your record temperatures claim is correct. Which is more powerful? Water or carbon dioxide?
        Water vapor absorbs specific wavelengths of infrared and because of the huge surface area of the oceans, the average humidity doesn't change very much. The reason that CO2has such a disproportionate effect on warming is that it absorbs infrared at wavelengths other greenhouse gases do not.

        How much water have we put into the atmosphere through increased irrigation over the same time period?
        Compared to ocean evaporation? Probably not measurable.

        How do you know it's not the increase in temperatures that is causing the increase in carbon dioxide?
        Because humans are dumping huge quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere. So that's not arguable.

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        • Yes. Technology can be the way out of this, if we get it up and running in time.

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          • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
            Water vapor absorbs specific wavelengths of infrared and because of the huge surface area of the oceans, the average humidity doesn't change very much. The reason that CO2has such a disproportionate effect on warming is that it absorbs infrared at wavelengths other greenhouse gases do not.



            Compared to ocean evaporation? Probably not measurable.



            Because humans are dumping huge quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere. So that's not arguable.
            Not just humans.
            http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/

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            • Climate change is completely real.But I must say that i do tend to lean towards thinking that its over-exaggerated at least. Yes, the earth heats and cools naturally over time, but the core of the argument is how much human activity is expediting the process if at all. My opinion remains that it's probably very little in the grand scheme of things and convincing people that it's their fault creates more opportunity to tax and regulate them. I mean lots and lots of money is poured into global warming research, and researchers who are skeptical of human interference are often shunned and underfunded. Furthermore, whether humans are responsible for global warming or not, it may be very well unpreventable. This topic is too sensitive...i don't know man.

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              • Originally posted by James36 View Post
                Climate change is completely real.
                It got dark a little while ago.

                Sent from my SM-A520F using TOL mobile app
                Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                E≈mc2
                "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                -Bob B.

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                • Barbarian, regarding the increase in CO in the atmosphere:
                  Because humans are dumping huge quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere. So that's not arguable.

                  Originally posted by Derf View Post
                  You don't think agriculture is done by humans? Who, then?

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                  • Originally posted by Derf View Post
                    And because these statements are false, that makes the chemtrail conspiracy true?
                    Well, there's a nice straw man. That every bit of sarcasm I gave is real it says that geoengineering on the part of the US government is something that is worth honestly exploring. The site I linked to gives a lot of evidence for long term government involvement in it, and serious problems arising from the pollution and environmental damaged caused by these governmental actions.

                    Denying it out of hand without even attempting to look at the evidence is, in my book, pure stupidity.
                    “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                    ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                    “One and God make a majority.”
                    ― Frederick Douglass

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                    • Originally posted by James36 View Post
                      Climate change is completely real.But I must say that i do tend to lean towards thinking that its over-exaggerated at least. Yes, the earth heats and cools naturally over time, but the core of the argument is how much human activity is expediting the process if at all. My opinion remains that it's probably very little in the grand scheme of things and convincing people that it's their fault creates more opportunity to tax and regulate them. I mean lots and lots of money is poured into global warming research, and researchers who are skeptical of human interference are often shunned and underfunded. Furthermore, whether humans are responsible for global warming or not, it may be very well unpreventable. This topic is too sensitive...i don't know man.
                      The earth has been far warmer than it is right now, and those episodes of the earth being warmer than it is now cannot be laid to human activity.

                      If you will research the history of CO2 and warming episodes of earth's history you will find that rises in CO2 levels have always followed rises in earth's temperatures. And, the earth has been warming now for a couple of centuries. Increases in CO2 levels leading temperature rises has never happened according to the scientific evidence.
                      “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                      ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                      “One and God make a majority.”
                      ― Frederick Douglass

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                      • Originally posted by ClimateSanity View Post
                        Let's say your record temperatures claim is correct. Which is more powerful? Water or carbon dioxide?



                        How much water have we put into the atmosphere through increased irrigation over the same time period?



                        How do you know it's not the increase in temperatures that is causing the increase in carbon dioxide?
                        In addition to your comments, Climate Sanity, I would add that the rise in temperatures in the seas is a very iffy propostion. Why? Because when NASA couldn't explain a 10 year pause in rising temperatures they just went back and "adjusted" all their temperature recordings and voila, there was once again "global warming" just like they said there was. All they had to do to prove it was retroactively change the recorded temperatures.

                        Nothing dishonest about that now is there? When reality fails to confirm ideology just "adjust" what reality says.
                        “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                        ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                        “One and God make a majority.”
                        ― Frederick Douglass

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                        • Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
                          Well, there's a nice straw man. That every bit of sarcasm I gave is real it says that geoengineering on the part of the US government is something that is worth honestly exploring.
                          Not really. Every bit of sarcasm you gave may be good reason to suspect the government and the government's motives, but says absolutely nothing about chemtrails and geoengineering.

                          I'm not denying there could be geoengineering, but none of what you wrote, and little of what you video link said, seem to indicate any kind of geoengineering attempts.

                          The site I linked to gives a lot of evidence for long term government involvement in it, and serious problems arising from the pollution and environmental damaged caused by these governmental actions.

                          Denying it out of hand without even attempting to look at the evidence is, in my book, pure stupidity.
                          Tell you what. Why don't you tell me what to do with the information you provided as it applies to the OP. Are you saying we've already tried fixing the climate, and we only make things worse?
                          Are you saying geoengineering is proving that we can steer climate change in the right direction, but only evil people are using the technology so far and won't let Christians play? Or what?

                          And btw, I did try to look at the evidence, but got out of it the same thing some others did--chemtrail conspiracy nut, repackaged as anti-geoengineering activist (not you, necessarily, just the guy on the video). That's when you gave a list of things that had nothing to do with the data or video, which you used to conclude that the others must be true. I'm not sure I'm responsible for the strawman.

                          I'll admit my first impression could be wrong, despite the overwhelmingness of the impression, but it seems the burden is on you to make it relevant to the topic.

                          Have at it.

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                          • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                            Barbarian, regarding the increase in CO in the atmosphere:
                            Because humans are dumping huge quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere. So that's not arguable.



                            You don't think agriculture is done by humans? Who, then?
                            Sure, but if we didn't use a bunch of land for grazing cows, there would likely be a bunch of similar animals grazing there instead. Maybe they don't burp as much, but maybe they would make up for it with other emissions or in sheer numbers--like the bison herds in the 1800s.

                            Is this a suggestion for the OP? To replace all our cows with bison? I'd love it. Bison meat is great, and it would bring the price down on it. But I betcha it would turn into the same kind of problem once the bison were well into the domestication process and kept in cattle feedlots.


                            btw, I have a hard time reading some your self-quotes. What I like to do to preserve both the reply to my posts and my quotes they replied to is to click the "blog this post" button, copy the whole text, then paste it into the quick reply field at the bottom of the regular thread (not the blog) page.

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                            • Originally posted by ClimateSanity View Post
                              You need a better graph.


                              Learn to read what is written.

                              _____
                              The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                              ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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