True, but... It also is stated specifically against cops AND some of it has caused a backlash against them in lost lives. Words do things. As much as I believe Black lives matter, I truly believe that Blue lives matter (and white for that matter).
No, it's a cry over the treatment of blacks by too many who are charged with the preservation of the right.
Black is a race. Blue is an occupation. You can take off a uniform, you live with your race.
You don't have to say white lives matter because it's a given to the dominant, white culture. It's like asking why there isn't a white version of BET. There is, it's largely called television.
The history of police interactions with black Americans doesn't speak highly for either justice or the police, but the conversation that's happening and the elevation of minorities to key positions in more and more police forces should be helpful.
Not if you die in it?
I'd brought that up in a different thread, as I remember. I didn't ask why we didn't have white television, but was saying that 'if' one group can have an all black station, there shouldn't be a problem with an all-white one either. We aren't as colorblind when I have to say white or black in conversation. Having had this conversation with you a few times now, I'm convinced we treat 'black' better in the NW. I also have a mother who I believe is truly colorblind. We had friends of all colors growing up.
I very much wanted Dr. Ben Carson in office, not because of his color, but because he's a decent intelligent, capable man.
To bring to attention, well and fine. To permanently separate one people from another? :nono: It is simply drawing a line in the sand, either initially, or otherwise keeping the fighting continuing forever (like the PBS link I added in my last post while editing - unfortunately after your response). I'm yet convinced, the answer to all problems isn't political or resolved in a courtroom. Love, truce, peace is the only long-term solution. Black Lives Matter needs to rather become "No more police militant brutality." On the street, we also have to address meeting the needs of the community that has the highest rate of crimes, whatever their color may be and in a manner that isn't lethal.
Agree. To be clear black lives matter. It is rather, Black Lives Matter that put these officers dead in backlash. I think at times, in our conversations there is a confusion between what I agree with and what I don't. Usually, the reason for the demonstration I agree with. It is rather the demonstration and the way it plays out that I believe is a pendulum swing. It is the stuff of wars, however large or small and I've always hated war.
It was hidden in the weeds for a long time.
. I'd never think about attacking another police officer for what a totally different officer had done. It is still my contention that police need to be brought back to 'protect and serving' our society instead of 'warring' on drugs and otherwise taking on military actions.
I wonder which you'd rather have were you in their place, the money, or a life without what made that possible. I'd rather the latter.
Some of it is hard if not impossible to really get from the outside, I'd imagine.
I don't believe that it did any more than I blame sheets for what the Klan does with them.
I'm surprised there wasn't a lot of that in the South, given the history here.
With respect Lon, that trivializes the root of what actually does lead some to snap, to be so filled with contempt and frustration and anger that they become a reflection of what they hate.I've had a jerk cop or two pull me over (one for not having my lights on at dusk, another for what he called a 'rolling stop' :nono
The war on drugs was a lost one. There are better ways to address it.
Yeah, that one was a tough one for me. If someone told me, stay in this room for 8 years, one million for each year, I think I could do that kind of time. The abuse thrown in with it? Probably not. That's why I'm sympathetic. I hope they get the 10M more each they are looking for.
Except when its your friend, and you feel you are with them in it. It isn't the long-term, but I only saw it in Texas. In Washington State, there is a slight tension, but it is, from what they all have told me, incredibly better. I hope its true.
There was immediate retaliation. What would the Klan do if there was nothing but orange sheets available? :think:
His action was prejudice as well. Hate does that, both ways. It makes for wars.
In Nikolai's thread about bitterness, we are discussing Job. For Job, it was bitter but the Apostle Paul went through imprisonment reminding the church to 'rejoice' in all circumstances. What we go through will bring out retribution or grace. Discussion like this reminds me that we need to reflect our Savior, and truly "but for grace, there go I." The message then is that crucibles bring out what is already inside of people. I'm at least familiar with the problem of poverty and how it 'locks' one in. In my case, an education truly was what helped. I'm extremely glad you are doing your part and thank God for your success on that point.
Same page. :e4e:
This, imho, is quite different. The movement vs. the sentiment. We cannot have a White Entertainment network, perhaps when we are the smaller group? This is exactly the problem with favoring a group strictly based on their skin color. It is a double-sided knife specifically because their are difference. Differences require concessions, on both sides of a difference that cannot be shared.
I believe the lines between lives mattering, and political movements get blurred and a lot on TOL. It must constantly be addressed. As I've said, police were killed. "White" people were abused. If I say something, it is certainly not to diminish the value of any particular people by some association, but rather the sentiment that allows one group to abuse another in the name of a movement. Huge difference.
I've been with them when they were suffering injustice. Prayer and love are incredibly better responses rather than approval stamps for anything goes. It simply must be addressed or you look complicit, like telling a cop he can leave the force, he has a choice. It would be equally crass, at least as I see it, to remove Memorial Day and Veteran's and Armed Service simply because "it was their choice." I'm not sure I get this part of what you mean. It doesn't add up to where I can appreciate or make sense of it. It has always been my impression from friends and family in corrections, that most do so as a sacrifice, not just a job. :idunno:
:idunno: The history will be so different. In short, our race was horrible as dominant cultures go, to minorities. We were horrible even to white people who were sufficiently outside the WASP norm for as long as we could manage it. Eventually we got better, with a great deal of help. I doubt we'll find ourselves in a similar position, because ours wasn't so much about numbers as the power that came with it and what we did with it, and failed to do.
Mostly he has it right. Outliers are only useful in illustrating the absence of absolutes where human motivation is concerned, but rules remain and their utility is even more important.
I don't believe many are stamping in that direction. Look, if a team wins a championship in this country some people riot. You'll have that element in any movement. In the case of BLM, where the foundation is about justice, mistreatment and violence experienced by minorities at the hands of the instrument that is supposed to protect and serve them...
You'll have to point me to it. I have a lot of conversations in various places and that phrase while familiar wasn't in the quote that preceded it.
I actually think the South is doing better these days than a good bit of the country. And the resentment I was speaking to was a loudly heard in the heartland as it was anywhere else. And the complaints of the BLM movement are heard and founded in conduct you can look at across the nation.
With revisionist history, I'm ever skeptical of any one part. It seems to me we had a Wild West, then just a West. While I might want to apologize to somebody, it really wasn't you or me or the guy next door. What will indeed help, is help and help with mind changes. I believe the gospel has been and will continue to be the most powerful world-changer.
Again, it was in the face of the inappropriate backlash, not the movement, that caused the 'all lives' reaction. Was the rest of the nation unaware of policemen killed? Evergreen violently ousting white students and professors? If so, your friend may have had a more poignant observation. I don't see it as accurate to what I've seen regarding the movement. It was started in angst and continued in violence. Again, 'all' lives was an appropriate response to what we were seeing. "Blue Lives Matter" was in direct response to that violence. Not the idea that blacks matter.
In this Country? :idunno: We've seen it during the world cup between nations. One guy was accidentally killed during the Superbowl aftermath in Philadelphia. It 'seems' your friend unintentionally waves away the repercussion of Blue Lives lost mattering, or white lives battered mattering, in and among the movement. His quote seems at best ignorant, at worst unresponsive, uncaring.