It's people that go wrong,
So why have a government run by the people? (which is a circular government, by the way, and lacks any sort of foundation)
and when Kings do it's very very bad for the people.
No one has said otherwise. Yet, for all the wicked kings in history, none of them have legalized the crimes they themselves commit.
Democracies, on the other hand, simply vote to change the law to allow what the masses want.
Ah..... well, that's probably one reason why 'the people' will never let such a system be put in place.
Unfortunately, "the people" don't have the authority to say otherwise.
Eider:
| by representatives of the people |
JudgeRightly:
| Have you never read Numbers 16? I recommend you do. |
Indeed: and it shall be [that] the man whom the LORD doth choose, he [shall be] holy: [ye take] too much upon you, ye sons of Levi.
God chose. And it wasn't representatives of the people whom he chose to rule. In fact, He disliked the idea of "representatives" ruling over the people so much that this happened:
Now it came to pass, as he finished speaking all these words, that the ground split apart under them,and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the men with Korah, with all their goods.So they and all those with them went down alive into the pit; the earth closed over them, and they perished from among the assembly.Then all Israel who were around them fled at their cry, for they said, “Lest the earth swallow us up also! ”And a fire came out from the Lord and consumed the two hundred and fifty men who were offering incense. - Numbers 16:31-35
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers16:31-35&version=NKJV
Eider, are you aware that when God gave the law to Moses, He included rules for how a king should govern?
That's right, hundreds of years before God implemented the monarchy as the nation's government, He had already laid the groundwork for it.
So you don't have to do anything. Mr Enyart need not promote his idea, because if God is going to do it, then it shall be done, and if He does not, then it shall not be done.
Easy.
God chose a monarchy, and killed the representatives of "the people." I'd say that's pretty clear evidence that God wants nations to have a monarchy.
Which means that our current form of government needs to be done away with.
Yes to the Ten. And No.......... not all. That's my point. The laws which have been added to the 'criminal code' are not from the ten commandments. Please see the list which I copied from Mr Enyart's proposal.
They are extensions of the laws from the 10 commandments.
But somehow it failed. It ended. And God never brought it back.
And?
Are you intentionally ignoring the reason why? Or are you just not aware of what the Bible says?
I acknowledge that there is not a single shelf of service within present governments systems that is not a corrupt mess,
You cannot put new wine into old wineskins.
but I am wondering how this government of criminal laws and oppressive punishments can make any difference, that's all.
You can't see how just punishments for crime can make a difference?
Because a bent King doesn't repent
History begs to differ.
and a flock of people can see right, just as they have at moments in history.
The occurrence is too rare to base a government on.
You are asking me to answer questions about the 507 laws in the Old Testament which the proposed system has ignored?
No.
The laws fit together to make a complete system,
Yes, the laws included in the Mosaic Law had a purpose.
That purpose has since been fulfilled, and since that purpose was tied only to Israel, therefore the laws that were intended only for israel should not be used for other governments.
and the proposed Monarcky[sic] appears to have massive gaps in it,
Because you say so?
because it only focuses upon an oppressed people subjected to terror through pain.
This is an appeal to emotion.
In what way would the people under the proposed government be "oppressed, subjected to terror through pain"?
That really was nothing to do with Jesus's mission at all.
Which has nothing to do with this conversation...
We're talking about a form of government, not Jesus' mission.
Don't get sidetracked.
Thank you for finally answering.
That is correct. There were very few laws.
and then there was a Fall. And then the Israelites
Seems you're jumping ahead there, buckaroo.
Before the Israelites, there was Cain, then there was Noah.
What happened to Cain after Cain killed Abel? can you summarize it?
were given a very good system which lead to support, strength, trust, poor laws, justice and provision.
Not through the government, it didn't.
Tell me, Eider, do you think charity can be compelled?
Mr Enyart's p[rosal[sic] misses out on all, it seems....
See previous question.
there's just a proposal for a kind of rule by pain, agony and execution. ?>?
You're imagining things.
Yes. Crimes, crimes and crimes. Nowt else. That's just one fraction of a whole government system. Now where is the rest?
The only roles a government should have are building and maintaining infrastructure and criminal justice, both foreign (read: military) and domestic.
Yes they do. Point already made. Your continuing reference to a few laws given before the Fall a
I was asking what you meant by "original laws".
Fix your formatting. You seem to have messed something up.
I read Mr Enyart's proposal. I did.
I doubt that.
The positions of King, Judge, Official, Soldier, executioner, flogger and so forth ARE all jobs,
Incorrect.
Had you read the proposed constitution, you would know that A) the King is allowed an income, B) Judges do not get paid to be judges, and C) "executioner, flogger and so forth" are not jobs at all in the system, but are volunteer positions on a case by case basis, and the first dibs on punishment goes to the person or persons who were wronged.
and at the moment it seems that they do not provide for the warranted person's family, home, dinners or anything else, which means that they'll be obtaining their livings by corruption instead of stipends or wages.
Or, you know, they could just get a job like normal people do... Why that didn't occur to you is beyond me...
Now, please answer the question...... how will these positions be paid for?
You answered your question (at least, regarding the king) below.
Go read the rest of the proposed constitution for the rest of the answers.
And who will pay for the axes, whips, weapons, vehicles, etc etc of all the above?
Of whom?
Weapons and vehicles for the military and police are paid for out of the treasury.
How is the Government paid?
Taxation.
Quoted from Mr Enyart's proposal:-
..................................he has authority to levy only one tax, an individual increase tax, with a maximum rate of five percent of income [P]; he shall fund his government including all subdivisions and the military from this single national tax; and he shall not employ tax collectors [P]. All persons remit taxes due at least monthly. Those convicted of tax evasion will be flogged, and pay to the government for thievery restitution as required by the Criminal Code [P]. The King may compensate himself annually with one thousand times the income of America’s average taxpayer [P].
.............................The Monarch shall reduce the income tax to one percent when he estimates that the Treasury surplus can fund the government for seven years [P].
The King may disburse revenue only, as specifically enumerated herein, for the protection of rights and for infrastructure, and never to support any form of welfare [P], socialism [P], communism [P], or public education [P]. He cannot bring the Treasury into indebtedness. [P] Greater spending than provided for by the authorized tax, as perhaps needed in time of war, must be funded by freewill offerings.
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A 5% poll tax. and no support at all for the poor.
Also from the proposed constitution:
Rights of Subjects [B P]: Each person, including visiting foreigners, has God-given rights that this Government exists to protect, the right to Life and Liberty; to Worship; to Free Speech; to Purchase and Use Property; to Purchase, Own, and Carry Individual Defensive Weapons including Firearms; to Protect the Innocent; to Corporally Punish his Children; to Due Process of Law; and to Fail.
No person has a right to food, water, clothing, shelter, energy, healthcare, or education [B P]. Excepting for emergency relief, from natural disasters and short-term life-or-death crises, and for government employees only as mission critical, the Government must not give or subsidize such resources to anyone, nor can America compel charitable giving. |
http://kgov.com/constitution
A violation of the Old Testament laws, I think.
Not at all.
How can the super rich avoid paying any tax ................... legally?
Quote from Mr Enyart's proposal:- The King grants an exemption from paying tax for the year to any person who has engraved or molded the Constitution of America on a structure enduringly open to public view. He extends this tax relief a subsequent and final time to one who, having so published this Constitution, in like manner publishes America’s Criminal Code [P].
So the super rich will never need to pay any tax, they just need to keep engraving the Constitution upon new buildings which they will get contracts for...... ?
I think you need to pay more attention when you read things.
