Interesting accusation since one of us is advocating justice according to the bible and one of us is arguing justice according to the "about as godly as it gets" U.S. Constitution.
This is just an amazing argument.
Tell me how what you've just said here doesn't argue against criminal justice laws in general!
In other words, the law is the great teacher. That isn't just true biblically, that true everywhere. It doesn't make any difference what nation you're talking about or in what era of history. Regardless of when or where, unjust laws lead to an immoral society. This is perhaps the most basic principle in any study of jurisprudence and has been for literally thousands of years! It is literally impossible, logically impossible, to enact, enforce or even formulate any code of law without a code of morality behind it.
Just which moral code would you prefer to use as the basis of your criminal code, TG, popular opinion?
Further, proper criminal justice law does not take away anyone's free will. It merely punishes criminal behavior in a manner that deters future bad behavior. Indeed, this is a critical difference between just laws and the sort of laws we increasingly have here in the United States today. That difference being that a just legal system does not attempt to make it so that you CANNOT do bad things. That's what our current legal system does to a large degree but God's criminal code, as spelled out very clearly in the bible, attempts to make it so that people WILL NOT do bad things. Our current system is actively in the process of stripping away one freedom after another from the whole population in an attempt to thwart the will of criminals, all the while making the punishments inflicted against those who succeed in committing crimes in spite of such laws are made lighter and lighter. Such a system is obviously unjust and doomed to fail from its very inception and it is the very system which you are here defending against a system that would not only prevent crime but maximizes the freedom and in countless ways improve the quality of life for everyone in the country.
Stated on March 18th 2020, when, under this "about as godly as it gets" form of government, countless businesses have been ordered to close their doors and when when untold thousands of people are literally on the verge of being told to go home and stay there under penalty of law! All over a virus that, to date, only about .003% of the population has contracted.
And that's almost too minor an issue to even bring up!
This "about as godly as it gets" constitution as presided over almost 62,000,000 murdered babies since 1973 (yes, that's the number of abortions in the United States alone). It has presided over about 78,000 baby murders just since the COVID-19 virus infected the first person in China. So far, in the same period of time the Corona Virus has killed about 9300 people
world wide and the whole world's economy is being crashed over it.
That's what your "about as godly as it gets" form of government produces, TG. Death on an industrial scale that nature itself has no means to compete with.
This will be fun...
Utterly complete stupidity!
God Himself is divorced!
Read the bible much, TG?
Isaiah 50:1 Thus says the Lord: “Where is the certificate of your mother’s divorce, Whom I have put away? Or which of My creditors is it to whom I have sold you? For your iniquities you have sold yourselves, And for your transgressions your mother has been put away.
Jeremiah 3:1 “They say, ‘If a man divorces his wife, And she goes from him And becomes another man’s, May he return to her again?’ Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; Yet return to Me,” says the Lord.
Jeremiah 3:8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.
Ezra 10:2 And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, spoke up and said to Ezra, “We have trespassed against our God, and have taken pagan wives from the peoples of the land; yet now there is hope in Israel in spite of this.
3 Now therefore, let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these wives and those who have been born to them, according to the advice of my master and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.
4 Arise, for
this matter
is your
responsibility. We also
are with you. Be of good courage, and do
it.”
Matthew 5:32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace.
Laws against adultery have been a part of western civilization since the dawn of western civilization! You seem to have a complete lack of any education whatsoever in these matters!
Was God unjust when He made the following commandment...
Leviticus 20:10 ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.
That commandment, by the way, is found in the very same chapter of the bible as “You shall have no other gods before Me." and "You shall not murder" and "“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain" and "“You shall not steal" and “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
Just stop me when you recognize the list!
Do you also think that murder, stealing and perjury aren't any of the government's business and that those who think otherwise only do so because they are murderous thieving liars?
Well, you don't have a crystal ball and you'd lose your money!
People who advocate justice are godly not closeted criminals!
Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaks wisdom, And his tongue talks of justice.
Well then what in the world are you doing here defending the United States constitution as being "about as godly as it gets"?!
If you want to dramatically drop the number of abortions, you know what you can do besides executing murderers? You can execute adulterers!
Adultery is a major (if not the leading) motive for murder of all kinds.
Adultery is a leading cause of divorce and therefore single parent households.
Single parent households produce...
Teen promiscuity (and therefore the majority of abortions)
Teenage depression.
Teen suicide.
Criminal behavior of all sorts including drug use, drug dealing, theft, assault, murder, etc, etc, etc,.
That is such an abbreviated list it's scary! The passage of one single just law as prescribed in God's word, the result is the reduction of pain and death on a scale that can hardly be imagined!
No we don't!
It is perfectly legal for a man to say to a woman that I'll hire you if you agree to take all your clothes off and have sex with whomever I tell you to have sex with and allow me to film it.
That is 1000% legal in this country and in no way violates your so called "about as godly as it gets" constitution.
Not according to the God whom you claim to believe in and trust for your salvation!
It is primarily caused by child molestation!
Perverted men have sex with young boys (i.e. homosexual sex) under the age of eight and if the abuse is acute enough or persistent enough that young boy grows up to be homosexual. This is the case in such a majority of cases that it is not at all inaccurate to state the homosexuals reproduce by molesting children.
(To be clear here, the vast majority of molested children DO NOT become homosexuals. It is, however, true that the vast majority of homosexuals are so because they were molested by a member of the same sex between the ages of 5 and 8 years of age, which is when children begin to understand the difference between boys and girls and form their ideas of what it means to be masculine and feminine. If there were no child molestation, homosexuality would be so rare as to be practically non-existent).
God knew this when He gave the following commandment....
Leviticus 18:
21 And you shall not let any of your descendants pass through
the fire to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God: I
am the Lord.
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It
is an abomination.
23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It
is perversion.
So God puts homosexuality in the same category as child sacrifice (an ancient form of abortion), and bestiality!
Then later, once again in the same chapter where we find the ten commandments, God commands the following...
Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
Says the woman who hasn't made a single attempt to refute one single syllable of a word I've said.
Resting in Him,
:Clete:
