Welcome to Stage 3

musterion · Jun 9, 2015

The three stages of the homosexual movement's long-term goal of complete normalization:

1) Plead for Acceptance

2) Have Advocacy enforced by law (bakeries, bed-and-breakfasts, etc)

3) Annihilate all remaining opposition

We've been moving well through Stage 2 for some time but here's the clearest glimpse yet of the start of Stage 3: Homosexual activist says churches must "be made" to deny homosexuality is sin.

Since many denominations have or are leaning toward full acceptance of homosexuality, this move shows the mindset that will allow no one to stand in opposition. Forget asking "How are they going to manage this?" Not the point (although it will happen). The mere fact it would even be floated as a serious idea should be frightening enough to anyone who believes in liberty.

GFR7 · Jun 9, 2015

Yes, there is no denying it. Opposition is simply not tolerated. Kind words that in the '80s or '90s would have been appreciated (e.g., "I believe in your right to privacy and rights, but don't want to see marriage redefined") are now instantly labeled hate speech and the speaker, a bigot. Then loss of job, popularity, revenues ensue. The movement is victorious. Absent a sudden and massive , unexpected backlash, the victory will remain.

Churches have been almost too eager to embrace the agenda.

Angel4Truth · Jun 9, 2015

Luke 18:7 now, will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them? 8"I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?"

Quetzal · Jun 9, 2015

Paranoid nonsense. Annihilate? In what way?

moparguy · Jun 9, 2015

Quetzal said:
Paranoid nonsense. Annihilate? In what way?

Not paranoid at all.

overhauling straight america said:
Would a desensitizing campaign of open and sustained talk about gay issues reach every rabid opponent of homosexuality? Of course not. While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency. Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science & Public Opinion (the shield and sword of that accursed "secular humanism"). Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work again here.

http://library.gayhomeland.org/0018/EN/EN_Overhauling_Straight.htm

Which was later turned into:
Marshall Kirk, Hunter Madsen: "After the Ball -- How America will conquer its fear and hatred of Gays in the 1990s". (Plume, 1990), ISBN: 0452264987.

This is nothing new. It's just becoming more prevalent: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...hallenge-to-Churchs-gay-marriage-opt-out.html

The enforced hate and irrationality of the hate crimes laws is the wedge over here.

If you want what is by no means a comprehensive list of these sorts of things:

Spoiler

There is no slippery slope. This is logical necessity, working it's way out in time.

Unless the inherent anarchism, based upon the idolatry of man as truth-maker is stopped or checked by God, this will continue.

Also, there will be a judgement; God will not be mocked - and in spite of all of this, God will still be saving people who will believe the bible and the Gospel, regardless of the irrational hatred of mankind.

musterion · Jun 10, 2015

"We will sodomize your sons..."

Google that and behold the tolerance at the core of the sodomite army.

The Barbarian · Jun 10, 2015

In other words, if people advocate imprisoning and/or killing homosexuals, that's just exercising their right to free speech. But if even one homosexual declares that churches shouldn't be allowed to criticize homosexuality, that's a sign the death camps are coming for straight people.

You betcha. This says far more about Musty than it says about anything else. It's why you guys lost the argument for same-sex marriage; decent people were so repelled by you that they went too far the other way.

SaulToPaul 2 · Jun 10, 2015

This world is ripe for the tribulation:

1. Homosexual agenda
2. Fascination with humans and non-humans having relations (books, movies)
3. Fascination with various natural disasters (movies)
4. Fascination with zombies and apocalypse (movies)

Granite · Jun 10, 2015

musterion said:
"We will sodomize your sons..."

Google that and behold the tolerance at the core of the sodomite army.

It's called satire, genius. Or did the name "Swift" not tip you off enough? This was debunked a looooooooong time ago.

aCultureWarrior · Jun 10, 2015

GFR7 said:
Yes, there is no denying it. Opposition is simply not tolerated. Kind words that in the '80s or '90s would have been appreciated (e.g., "I believe in your right to privacy and rights, but don't want to see marriage redefined") are now instantly labeled hate speech and the speaker, a bigot. Then loss of job, popularity, revenues ensue. The movement is victorious. Absent a sudden and massive , unexpected backlash, the victory will remain.

Churches have been almost too eager to embrace the agenda.

Those "kind words" are still being spoken in 2015:

GFR7 said:
Even if some people believe there are committed gay couples who love each other and who deserve legal protections , this doesn't mean gay marriage and the rainbow agenda are not a step way too far.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4107770&postcount=3063

How about you musterion, do you believe that people "deserve legal protections" (housing, employment, civil contracts, etc.) based on their immoral yet changeable behavior?

Saved.One.by.Grace · Jun 10, 2015

GFR7 said:
Yes, there is no denying it. Opposition is simply not tolerated. Kind words that in the '80s or '90s would have been appreciated (e.g., "I believe in your right to privacy and rights, but don't want to see marriage redefined") are now instantly labeled hate speech and the speaker, a bigot. Then loss of job, popularity, revenues ensue. The movement is victorious. Absent a sudden and massive , unexpected backlash, the victory will remain.

Churches have been almost too eager to embrace the agenda.

That's because churches have embraced greed, which will be their downfall.

Saved.One.by.Grace · Jun 10, 2015

Anthony Burgess, English Science Fiction writer wrote a book called "The Wanting Seed" about, among other things, how homosexuality was going to be the new norm. I believe it was written in 1962. Burgess also wrote "A Clockwork Orange".

Set in the near future, The Wanting Seed is a Malthusian comedy about the strange world overpopulation will produce.

Tristram Foxe and his wife, Beatrice-Joanna, live in their skyscraper world where official family limitation glorifies homosexuality. Eventually, their world is transformed into a chaos of cannibalistic dining-clubs, fantastic fertility rituals, and wars without anger. It is a novel both extravagantly funny and grimly serious. [from Amazon]

Jose Fly · Jun 10, 2015

The Barbarian said:
In other words, if people advocate imprisoning and/or killing homosexuals, that's just exercising their right to free speech. But if even one homosexual declares that churches shouldn't be allowed to criticize homosexuality, that's a sign the death camps are coming for straight people.

Funny how that works....:ha:

GFR7 · Jun 10, 2015

aCultureWarrior said:
Those "kind words" are still being spoken in 2015:

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4107770&postcount=3063

How about you musterion, do you believe that people "deserve legal protections" (housing, employment, civil contracts, etc.) based on their immoral yet changeable behavior?

Sorry Karl, Musterion and I respect eachother's opinions even though there may at times be differences.
BUT, Bozo: :ha: In truth, I was not stating my opinion but that of others such as Brian Brown of NOM and many other conservatives. And the other time, as I noted on your crappy thread, was to accommodate Tracer's feelings due to his circumstances at the moment.

So sod off.

musterion · Jun 10, 2015

Jose Fly said:
Funny how that works....:ha:

Except that there's only one person on TOL at present, that I know of, who advocates either.

musterion · Jun 10, 2015

aCultureWarrior said:
How about you musterion, do you believe that people "deserve legal protections" (housing, employment, civil contracts, etc.) based on their immoral yet changeable behavior?

Of course it depends on how one defines immoral, as the concept as a whole is being forced into obsolescence...but to answer the question, no I don't but that won't stop those things happening anyway. They already are.

Saved.One.by.Grace · Jun 10, 2015

Morality should not be thought of as a moving target, but as an absolute ideal unchangeable over time. I'm sure the people of Sodom had a different definition of immoral than God.

musterion · Jun 10, 2015

Saved.One.by.Grace said:
I'm sure the people of Sodom had a different definition of immoral than God.

Funny you should mention that.

The clearest example of the Sodomites being morally outraged is when Lot correctly called their desires "wicked" and sought to thwart their lust (stupidly, but still). For that offense, they prepared to destroy him utterly, up to and including raping him and no doubt murdering him.

Even worse... they still lustfully groped for the door EVEN WHEN THEY'D ALL BEEN BLINDED. Even then, they still would not quit.

Sound familiar?

Compare that with the bisexuals and homosexuals who know they're HIV positive but keep on infecting multiple partners without any concern for their welfare.

But just like Lot, YOU are wrong if you dare question them for it.

Watch one of the local lefties come along and make the point for me.

Saved.One.by.Grace · Jun 10, 2015

musterion said:
Funny you should mention that.

The clearest example of the Sodomites being morally outraged is when Lot correctly called their desires "wicked" and sought to thwart their lust (stupidly, but still). For that offense, they prepared to destroy him utterly, up to and including raping him and no doubt murdering him.

Even worse... they still lustfully groped for the door EVEN WHEN THEY'D ALL BEEN BLINDED. Even then, they still would not quit.

Sound familiar?

Compare that with the bisexuals and homosexuals who know they're HIV positive but keep on infecting multiple partners without any concern for their welfare.

But just like Lot, YOU are wrong if you dare question them for it.

Watch one of the local lefties come along and make the point for me.

In this brave new world we live in, absolute morality is being replaced with relative morality. Or another way to look at it is situational ethics versus absolute ethics. There is an absolute truth. One plus one equals two, unless you redefine the terms.

TracerBullet · Jun 10, 2015

musterion said:
"We will sodomize your sons..."

Google that and behold the tolerance at the core of the sodomite army.

Those trying to promote hate love quoting Michael Swift's "Homosexual Manifesto"

But for some reason hey never include the introduction to his essay where he states that the "Homosexual Manifesto" is a parody of right wing anti gay garbage and paranoia.

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