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  • #76
    Originally posted by tetelestai View Post
    Do you want to know why all the tech companies in Silicon Valley have been so successful?

    Answer: All non-union
    Because there couldn't possible be any OTHER reasons!
    Originally posted by tetelestai View Post
    Do you want to know why there are virtually no steel mills in the USA anymore?

    Answer: the workers were all union members.
    Because there couldn't possible be any OTHER reasons!

    What a tool!

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    • #77
      Originally posted by PureX View Post
      Because there couldn't possible be any OTHER reasons!
      Please tell us.

      I live in Pittsburgh, PA, where more steel was produced here during WWII than in Germany and Japan combined.

      I was born here, raised here, and have lived here my entire life. I remember the steel mills when I was a kid in the 1960's

      Today, there is ONE steel mill still in operation in the entire county

      Ask any former steel worker what happened, and they will all tell you the unions ruined it.

      My dad had a white collar job at Untied States Steel. He's knows first hand that the unions are the reason all the steel mills shut down, and are gone.
      (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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      • #78
        Originally posted by tetelestai View Post
        Today, there is ONE steel mill still in operation in the entire county
        Where's that one?

        Alton Steel seems to be doing fine....with union workers no less.

        Is this the ONE mill in operation you speak of?
        _/\_

        Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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        • #79
          Originally posted by tetelestai View Post
          Please tell us.

          I live in Pittsburgh, PA, where more steel was produced here during WWII than in Germany and Japan combined.

          I was born here, raised here, and have lived here my entire life. I remember the steel mills when I was a kid in the 1960's
          I live in Erie PA., and worked in a steel mill when I was a kid.

          What you don't want to understand is that those mills were built in the 1930s. They met their heyday during WW2, and were becoming tired and outdated by the 1950s.

          But the investors didn't want to surrender their big profits to building new buildings and updating equipment. They just wanted those big profits to roll on forever. And while they neglected their plants, and fought with their laborers, other countries were building brand new state of the art plants that could produce better steel more cost effectively, and were paying their laborers fairly. And by the end of the 1960s, those plants were producing most of the world's steel, while our old antiquated plants were falling apart.

          The foolish owners and investors, of course, blamed everything on the unions because they'd always hated the unions and because they didn't want to admit that it was their own greed and stupidity that brought them down. But the truth is that just as with the auto industry, size and success had created lethargy, and greed supplanted wisdom among the second generation CEOs and investors (who did not build these industries, themselves), and so they fell into irrelevancy while other nations were learning how to do things better and cheaper.
          Originally posted by tetelestai View Post
          Today, there is ONE steel mill still in operation in the entire county
          Oh, you must mean the Finkle Steel Plant in Chicago? They seem to be doing quite well. But then they make specialty steels that the other countries don't have the expertise to produce.
          Originally posted by tetelestai View Post
          Ask any former steel worker what happened, and they will all tell you the unions ruined it.
          I worked at National Forge and Steel in Erie PA. in the 70s when the plant was closing, and I was a member of the union. And I don't recall anyone ever saying that. What I recall was that the plant had not been updated significantly since it was built in the 30s, except for some EPA required changes in the late 60s. And so it simply couldn't compete with the new, efficient, modern plants around the world.
          Originally posted by tetelestai View Post
          My dad had a white collar job at Untied States Steel. He's knows first hand that the unions are the reason all the steel mills shut down, and are gone.
          He was management, so I guess he wasn't biased against the unions, right?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by quip View Post
            Where's that one?
            I said "county", not country.

            In Allegheny county (where Pittsburgh is located), there is only one steel mill left.

            Edgar Thomson Steel Works

            BTW, the Edgar Thomson Works is where the famous riot took place with 300 Pinkerton guards brought in by Henry Frick in 1892 at Andrew Carnegie's steel mill. 10 men were killed. The history channel recently did a good job on it in their series "The Men who Built America"

            The event kind of was the birthplace of the unions.

            Unions were great in the late 1800's and early 1900's. They were vital in creating the 40 hour work week, abolishing child labor, creating a safe work environment, overtime, sick days, weekends, etc. But then they turned into what they set out to defeat in the first place.

            Now the union heads are making all the big money, and they are embedded with one political party.
            Last edited by tetelestai; May 5th, 2015, 07:00 PM.
            (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by PureX View Post
              I live in Erie PA., and worked in a steel mill when I was a kid.
              Fortunately for you, the Westinghouse locomotive plant in Erie is still making locomotives.

              When I was a kid, my family used to go to Presque Isle every summer. We stayed right on the beach. Do you know where the skating rink is/was? That is where we turned, went down the hill, and to our cottage.

              Interstate 79 wasn't completed back then, so it took about 3-4 hours to drive from Pittsburgh to Erie.

              Once 79 was finished, it took only 2 hours.

              I used to catch perch, but my mom and dad wouldn't let me eat them because they said the lake was too dirty with chemicals. That was 1967-1977. I'm sure the perch are safe to eat today.
              (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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              • #82
                It’s Time to Take On Police Unions
                Then this should cheer you up, Chrys:

                The Colorado bill that would entitle citizens at least $15,000 in damages if police interfere with their right to record breezed through the House Tuesday with overwhelming bipartisan approval, another step closer to becoming law.

                While numerous court cases have established that the right to record police in public is protected by the First Amendment, many more cops have ignored those rulings, knowing there will be no serious penalty by snatching a camera as “evidence,” even if all they do is delete the footage afterwards.

                Colorado House Bill 15-1290 will now make its way to the Senate, which is majority republican, but only by one senator.

                And considering the House approved the democratic-sponsored bill 47-16 when the House consists of 34 democrats to 31 republicans, it is highly probable that Senate republicans will cross party lines to vote in favor of the bill, which would make it the first state in the country to protect citizens’ right to record by holding police financial liable for their abuses.

                After all, it’s not about partisan ideology, but about police accountability.

                And people seem to be waking up to that fact.

                The progress of the bill is becoming a concern for Colorado cops, who have violated the rights of citizens to record many times over the years.

                http://photographyisnotacrime.com/20...ecording-cops/

                Looks to be a model for the country. The unions don't like it...

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by quip View Post
                  Where's that one?

                  Alton Steel seems to be doing fine....with union workers no less.

                  Is this the ONE mill in operation you speak of?
                  what about Granite City IL ? US Steel Granite City Works. over 100 years unbroken union. i heard they shut down again.(temporary) they have been there much longer. just an hour away from Alton and Wood River -

                  "Temporary closing of steel mill shocks workers, Granite City ..." google

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by tetelestai View Post
                    I said "county", not country.
                    My bad.


                    Unions were great in the late 1800's and early 1900's. They were vital in creating the 40 hour work week, abolishing child labor, creating a safe work environment, overtime, sick days, weekends, etc.
                    And they still serve maintaining this purpose.

                    Now the union heads are making all the big money, and they are embedded with one political party.
                    Interesting critique coming from a supply side, pro-capitalist.
                    _/\_

                    Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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