The Election That Could Break America: What if Trump Refuses to Concede?

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The Election That Could Break America


A lot of people, including Joe Biden, the Democratic Party nominee, have mis­conceived the nature of the threat. They frame it as a concern, unthinkable for presidents past, that Trump might refuse to vacate the Oval Office if he loses. They generally conclude, as Biden has, that in that event the proper authorities “will escort him from the White House with great dispatch.”

The worst case, however, is not that Trump rejects the election outcome. The worst case is that he uses his power to prevent a decisive outcome against him. If Trump sheds all restraint, and if his Republican allies play the parts he assigns them, he could obstruct the emergence of a legally unambiguous victory for Biden in the Electoral College and then in Congress. He could prevent the formation of consensus about whether there is any outcome at all. He could seize on that un­certainty to hold on to power.

Trump’s state and national legal teams are already laying the groundwork for postelection maneuvers that would circumvent the results of the vote count in battleground states. Ambiguities in the Constitution and logic bombs in the Electoral Count Act make it possible to extend the dispute all the way to Inauguration Day, which would bring the nation to a precipice. The Twentieth Amendment is crystal clear that the president’s term in office “shall end” at noon on January 20, but two men could show up to be sworn in. One of them would arrive with all the tools and power of the presidency already in hand.

“We are not prepared for this at all,” Julian Zelizer, a Prince­ton professor of history and public affairs, told me. “We talk about it, some worry about it, and we imagine what it would be. But few people have actual answers to what happens if the machinery of democracy is used to prevent a legitimate resolution to the election.”

Let us nothedge about one thing. Donald Trump may win or lose, but he will never concede. Not under any circumstance. Not during the Interregnum and not afterward. If compelled in the end to vacate his office, Trump will insist from exile, as long as he draws breath, that the contest was rigged.

Trump’s invincible commitment to this stance will be the most important fact about the coming Interregnum. It will deform the proceedings from beginning to end. We have not experienced anything like it before.

Maybe you hesitate. Is it a fact that if Trump loses, he will reject defeat, come what may? Do we know that? Technically, you feel obliged to point out, the proposition is framed in the future conditional, and prophecy is no man’s gift, and so forth. With all due respect, that is pettifoggery. We know this man. We cannot afford to pretend.

Trump’s behavior and declared intent leave no room to suppose that he will accept the public’s verdict if the vote is going against him. He lies prodigiously—to manipulate events, to secure advantage, to dodge accountability, and to ward off injury to his pride. An election produces the perfect distillate of all those motives.

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There is no truth to be found in dancing around this point, either: Trump does not want Black people to vote. (He said as much in 2017—on Martin Luther King Day, no less—to a voting-­rights group co-founded by King, according to a recording leaked to Politico.) He does not want young people or poor people to vote. He believes, with reason, that he is less likely to win reelection if turnout is high at the polls. This is not a “both sides” phenomenon. In present-day politics, we have one party that consistently seeks advantage in depriving the other party’s adherents of the right to vote.

Just under a year ago, Justin Clark gave a closed-door talk in Wisconsin to a select audience of Republican lawyers. He thought he was speaking privately, but someone had brought a recording device. He had a lot to say about Election Day operations, or “EDO.”

At the time, Clark was a senior lieutenant with Trump’s re­election campaign; in July, he was promoted to deputy campaign manager. “Wisconsin’s the state that is going to tip this one way or the other … So it makes EDO really, really, really important,” he said. He put the mission bluntly: “Traditionally it’s always been Republicans suppressing votes … [Democrats’] voters are all in one part of the state, so let’s start playing offense a little bit. And that’s what you’re going to see in 2020. That’s what’s going to be markedly different. It’s going to be a much bigger program, a much more aggressive program, a much better-funded program, and we’re going to need all the help we can get.” (Clark later claimed that his remarks had been misconstrued, but his explanation made no sense in context.)


Of all the favorable signs for Trump’s Election Day operations, Clark explained, “first and foremost is the consent decree’s gone.” He was referring to a court order forbidding Republican operatives from using any of a long list of voter-purging and intimidation techniques. The expiration of that order was a “huge, huge, huge, huge deal,” Clark said.

His audience of lawyers knew what he meant. The 2020 presidential election will be the first in 40 years to take place without a federal judge requiring the Republican National Committee to seek approval in advance for any “ballot security” operations at the polls. In 2018, a federal judge allowed the consent decree to expire, ruling that the plaintiffs had no proof of recent violations by Republicans. The consent decree, by this logic, was not needed, because it worked.

. . . .

This year, with a judge no longer watching, the Republicans are recruiting 50,000 volunteers in 15 contested states to monitor polling places and challenge voters they deem suspicious-looking. Trump called in to Fox News on August 20 to tell Sean Hannity, “We’re going to have sheriffs and we’re going to have law enforcement and we’re going to have, hopefully, U.S. attorneys” to keep close watch on the polls. For the first time in decades, according to Clark, Republicans are free to combat voter fraud in “places that are run by Democrats.”



Much, much more at the link. It's a long article, one that needs to be studied, not just read.
 

annabenedetti

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It will be best all around if there is a clear winner. It can be a mess if the result is close. Mr. Trump has been laying the groundwork for that mess for quite some time. If he wins or loses in a landslide it will be avoided. There's a fair chance it won't be so clear-cut, and all hell will break loose. Is there a "responsible adult" that will keep the US from tearing itself apart?
 

Jerry Shugart

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It will be best all around if there is a clear winner. It can be a mess if the result is close. Mr. Trump has been laying the groundwork for that mess for quite some time.

Don't blame it on President Trump. Believe the science! Dr. Fauci said that in-person voting could be done safely if polling places enforce mask-wearing and social distancing guidelines and voters follow these guidelines.

The Democrats scared the public into thinking that it was to dangerous to vote in person and they used that as an excuse to mail out ballots to people who are no longer alive and no longer living at the same address where they lived when they last registered. Their recklessness is what can cause a mess of the worse kind. So don't blame it on President Trump.
 

chair

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Don't blame it on President Trump. Believe the science! Dr. Fauci said that in-person voting could be done safely if polling places enforce mask-wearing and social distancing guidelines and voters follow these guidelines.

The Democrats scared the public into thinking that it was to dangerous to vote in person and they used that as an excuse to mail out ballots to people who are no longer alive and no longer living at the same address where they lived when they last registered. Their recklessness is what can cause a mess of the worse kind. So don't blame it on President Trump.

As far as I understand it, each State decides on voting rules. And absentee ballots have been around for a long time.
One can blame the Evil Democrats for their scheme "to mail out ballots to people who are no longer alive etc.", or blame the Evil Republicans for limiting the vote and trying to undermine the system. Who do you see claiming in advance that the election will be rigged?

You are all in the same boat, and you are all drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. The rest of the free world is tied to your boat, like it or not. But no worries, the Russians and the Chinese will rescue everybody when you've sunk.
 

expos4ever

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The Democrats scared the public into thinking that it was to dangerous to vote in person and they used that as an excuse to mail out ballots to people who are no longer alive and no longer living at the same address where they lived when they last registered.
Can you present a shred of credible evidence to support your assertion?
 

Idolater

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Absentee ballots are very different from voting by mail
Anybody who is pretending /acting like this presidential election is like any of our other elections is disingenuous. President Trump has every right to contest results until it is demonstrated that the election was as free and fair as our past presidential elections have been
 

Jerry Shugart

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As far as I understand it, each State decides on voting rules. And absentee ballots have been around for a long time.

The subject is not about "absentee ballots" but instead about ballots sent out unsolicited.

One can blame the Evil Democrats for their scheme "to mail out ballots to people who are no longer alive etc.", or blame the Evil Republicans for limiting the vote and trying to undermine the system.

Again, the Democrats do not believe in the science concerning voting in person. Dr. Fauci said that in-person voting could be done safely if polling places enforce mask-wearing and social distancing guidelines and voters follow these guidelines.

You are all in the same boat, and you are all drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. The rest of the free world is tied to your boat, like it or not. But no worries, the Russians and the Chinese will rescue everybody when you've sunk.

It is the Democrats who are drilling holes in the bottom of boat because of their reckless action of sending out ballots to those who have not requested their ballots. They spent two years and twenty million dollars in their scheme to overthrow the election of President Trump who was duly elected as President so they have come up with a scheme to try to control the Presidental election this year.
 

annabenedetti

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Five states conduct voting completely by mail: Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah. Washington has been doing mail ballots for about 15 years, IIRC., I don't know how long the other states have been doing it.
 
It will be best all around if there is a clear winner. It can be a mess if the result is close. Mr. Trump has been laying the groundwork for that mess for quite some time. If he wins or loses in a landslide it will be avoided. There's a fair chance it won't be so clear-cut, and all hell will break loose. Is there a "responsible adult" that will keep the US from tearing itself apart?

Don't look to the left for a responsible adult!!!
 

Gary K

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This is a pretty amusing thread. The leftists are whining that Trump won't concede. And the left is also, at the same time, saying they will never concede losing the presidency. Clinton has told Biden, publicly, to never concede. And other leftist politicians are saying the same thing, publicly. Plus they are saying if they do lose they will burn the country down. Well, they have already gotten a good start on that and the election hasn't even occurred yet.

It's amusing that they are so lacking in self-knowledge and can't imagine that most people see they are wearing no clothes.
 

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Republican-Controlled Senate Passes Peaceful Transfer of Power Resolution Vowing ‘No Disruptions by the President’

The resolution was passed by unanimous consent in the Republican-controlled Senate on Thursday.


“It’s a shame that we have to come and reaffirm our commitment to our country, to our Constitution, and who we are as a people and how we became a great country, the greatest country on Earth, the freedoms that we all take for granted,” said Manchin in a floor speech following passage of the resolution. “And sometimes we hear things that challenge that, and we heard that yesterday, and we were very concerned about that.”

“What we are doing with this resolution is saying that basically the bedrock of democracy is the orderly and peaceful transfer of power when the president transitions out. It should not be a question,” he continued. “There should not ever be one iota of interruption whatsoever as that peaceful demonstration.”

Manchin went on to say, “We have come through a lot in our country, and we continue to be challenged, but I believe to have the leader of the free world talk as if we are an autocracy, an authoritarian versus a democracy, is something that alarmed me and alarmed a lot of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, even those quiet as some may be, I know they’re alarmed.”

“And with that, what we did is reaffirm who we are in the Senate and what we believe in, and the resolution is very clear,” he concluded.” All it says is we reaffirm as the Senate our commitment to the orderly and peaceful transfer of power called for in the Constitution of the United States and intends that there shall be no disruptions by the president or any person in power to overturn the will of the people in the United States.”




Interesting development today.
 
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