Personal Freedom vs. Public Welfare

[Idolater]

chair




One of the reasons I raised this question is that, in the past, Shaniqua's behavior would have been regulated - by her family, by her church, by her community, and indirectly by a government that did not make it easy for her to have children without a father in the house.

Consequentialism is the main way that enemies of human rights argue for some other theory to tell us what to do politically. The right to bear arms is one of their most popular targets (among many), and what you did in your post here is show how that same reasoning even more plainly indicates that a woman's right to be promiscuous is seriously called into question. If she does not have that right, then she would be punished by the law for doing what has become a common tradition in not only Black culture but also for example Iceland. Although the consequentalist argument in Iceland isn't as easy to make as it is in the USA.

 

[Rusha]

Personal *Freedom* according to Coronavirus deniers and enablers:

 

[annabenedetti]

Personal *Freedom* according to Coronavirus deniers and enablers:

So true...

 

[Arthur Brain]

Personal *Freedom* according to Coronavirus deniers and enablers:

That sums it up nicely. Seriously, how much of a hassle is it to wear a darned mask when going to a shop?

 

[Rusha]

That sums it up nicely. Seriously, how much of a hassle is it to wear a darned mask when going to a shop?

Coronavirus Don has been trashing masks ... his followers are listening..

 

[Arthur Brain]

Coronavirus Don has been trashing masks ... his followers are listening..

His handling of Covid-19 has been beyond pathetic from the start.

 

[Rusha]

His handling of Covid-19 has been beyond pathetic from the start.

That is because he only cares about remaining POTUS ... foreverrrrr ...

Masks and lockdowns means controlling the virus. He is upset that he ruined the very economy he has been bragging about ...

 

[Arthur Brain]

That is because he only cares about remaining POTUS ... foreverrrrr ...

Masks and lockdowns means controlling the virus. He is upset that he ruined the very economy he has been bragging about ...

Pretty much, and let's not forget his admission about downplaying Covid-19 and liking to do so...

 

[ok doser]

Quebec to give $1,000 fines to maskless protestors and partiers


https://ipolitics.ca/2020/09/30/que...t-deliver-fast-covid-test-results-opposition/

 

[ok doser]

Fines up to $6,000 now in effect for not wearing mask in Gatineau


Published Sept. 12, 2020 6:45 p.m. ET



GATINEAU, QC. -- People in Quebec who are not following public health guidelines—specifically, people who are not wearing a mask indoors—will now face harsh penalties.

New provincial measures came into effect Saturday that allow authorities to impose fines of up to $6,000 for non-compliance.


https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/ottawa...1_5102540.html

 

[chair]

Fines up to $6,000 now in effect for not wearing mask in Gatineau


Published Sept. 12, 2020 6:45 p.m. ET



GATINEAU, QC. -- People in Quebec who are not following public health guidelines—specifically, people who are not wearing a mask indoors—will now face harsh penalties.

New provincial measures came into effect Saturday that allow authorities to impose fines of up to $6,000 for non-compliance.


https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/ottawa...1_5102540.html

Fines make sense, though this is a bit heavy.

 

[ok doser]

Fines make sense, though this is a bit heavy.

They're having a real difficult time of it - Quebec, Ontario and inexplicably the indigenous population out in Edmonton. Cases are spiking wildly. This is their Thanksgiving and they've had a lot of PSA's on the radio about staying home.

 

[rocketman]

That is because he only cares about remaining POTUS ... foreverrrrr ...

No, just for the next 4 years, and that will come....

Masks and lockdowns means controlling the virus. He is upset that he ruined the very economy he has been bragging about ...

The cloth masks being worn by the majority of the populace do little to nothing, there are scientific studies to that effect, given that COVID 19 has been shown to be an aerosol transmission not "droplets" as first thought, the only benefit the mask is giving is a warm fuzzy... "Follow the science" right?https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...t-back-cloth-masks-limit-covid-19-experts-say

As of yesterday the WHO has reversed course saying lockdowns have not shown to lessen the spread but, only to give the governments time to help healthcare workers stockpile the needed PPE to deal with it, and that lockdowns have shown to have devastating effects on the populations of the countries employing them, saying " the only thing lockdowns achieved was poverty – with no mention of the potential lives saved." amongst other negatives. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...1b297731c3da74

Actually the economy was worth bragging about, my retirement investments had a stellar few years here...made up for the anemic Obama years. Really it should upset every American that the Chinese Communists unleashed this disease upon the world, it effects us all not just one president who you hate.... just in case you have absolutely no sense of empathy for all the people globally that are suffering because of the Chinese Communist virus.

 

[ok doser]

... As of yesterday the WHO has reversed course ...

gee, again?

whodathunkit?

... you have absolutely no sense of empathy for all the people globally that are suffering because of the Chinese Communist virus.

not if it interferes with her TDS

 

[rocketman]

not if it interferes with her TDS

The American socialist left is only fixated on the object of their hatred, and have lost any sense that this is a global event, that has effected the entire world negatively, and no it was not caused by Donald Trump but, by the Chinese Communists that unleashed it, they never warned anyone until it was completely out of their control to contain. Makes no difference...the insane hatred has made them all deaf, dumb, and blind to facts, completely unhinged...wait until Trump is elected for 4 more years, then we will see unhinged in a brand new way. :chuckle:

 

[ok doser]

...wait until Trump is elected for 4 more years, then we will see unhinged in a brand new way. :chuckle:

I'm hoping they all go catatonic for the next four years, silently rocking in a corner sucking their thumbs and sobbing softly

 

[The Berean]

I'm hoping they all go catatonic for the next four years, silently rocking in a corner sucking their thumbs and sobbing softly

Like this?

And this is why I can't stand arrogant, pompous, self-righteous, leftist crybabies. After it it looks like Trump is going to win the election Cenk Uygur made some idiotic statement chastising Latino's because only 65% of Latino's voted for Clinton. He says, "Latino's what have you done? That needed to be at 95%. So for the Latino's who voted for Trump. Well, when he kicks out any of your family members..."

The implication being that every Latino family in America has undocumented family members. What a bloviating ignorant thing to say. As a Latino myself I found that insulting. The irony is that Uyger is from a Turkish Muslim family. He himself was born in Turkey. And yet he has completely turned his back on his culture and religion and is now agnostic leftist. . He has no moral authority to lecture any POC on who to vote for.

 

[ok doser]

Like this?

And this is why I can't stand arrogant, pompous, self-righteous, leftist crybabies. After it it looks like Trump is going to win the election Cenk Uygur made some idiotic statement chastising Latino's because only 65% of Latino's voted for Clinton. He says, "Latino's what have you done? That needed to be at 95%. So for the Latino's who voted for Trump. Well, when he kicks out any of your family members..."

The implication being that every Latino family in America has undocumented family member. What a bloviating ignorant thing to say. As a Latino myself I found that insulting. The irony is that Uyger is from a Turkish Muslim family. He himself was born in Turkey. And yet he has completely turned his back on his culture and religion and is now agnostic leftist. . He has no moral authority to lecture any POC on who to vote for.

Not a fan of Cenk - I'm sure you've heard Dave Rubin talk about his break from TYT?

 

[Arthur Brain]

The American socialist left is only fixated on the object of their hatred, and have lost any sense that this is a global event, that has effected the entire world negatively, and no it was not caused by Donald Trump but, by the Chinese Communists that unleashed it, they never warned anyone until it was completely out of their control to contain. Makes no difference...the insane hatred has made them all deaf, dumb, and blind to facts, completely unhinged...wait until Trump is elected for 4 more years, then we will see unhinged in a brand new way. :chuckle:

I've yet to see anybody who blames Trump for the virus itself but rather for his inept handling of it. Not to mention his reassurances to the American people that it was repeatedly all under control only for it to be revealed that he admitted to knowing how serious it was and actually liked downplaying it. Something that even he isn't stupid enough to deny. So he lied. All of those times where he said the numbers would decline only to declare a national emergency when he had no choice means nothing to you? 210,000 deaths after his reassurances?

Unfortunately, he may still be re-elected but "unhinged" belongs to the MAGA crowd in the main.

 

[Arthur Brain]

No, just for the next 4 years, and that will come....



The cloth masks being worn by the majority of the populace do little to nothing, there are scientific studies to that effect, given that COVID 19 has been shown to be an aerosol transmission not "droplets" as first thought, the only benefit the mask is giving is a warm fuzzy... "Follow the science" right?https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...t-back-cloth-masks-limit-covid-19-experts-say

As of yesterday the WHO has reversed course saying lockdowns have not shown to lessen the spread but, only to give the governments time to help healthcare workers stockpile the needed PPE to deal with it, and that lockdowns have shown to have devastating effects on the populations of the countries employing them, saying " the only thing lockdowns achieved was poverty – with no mention of the potential lives saved." amongst other negatives. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...1b297731c3da74

Actually the economy was worth bragging about, my retirement investments had a stellar few years here...made up for the anemic Obama years. Really it should upset every American that the Chinese Communists unleashed this disease upon the world, it effects us all not just one president who you hate.... just in case you have absolutely no sense of empathy for all the people globally that are suffering because of the Chinese Communist virus.

The primary purpose of wearing a mask is to protect other people, not the wearer. I don't like wearing the things but even if it reduces the rate of transmission by a low percentage then I'm happy to do so. It certainly doesn't do any harm does it?