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[User Name]

No, I didn't.

Right then. Are you saying that if Jesus were here today that he would tell you not to pay your taxes?

 

[eider]

No. You are trying to claim that Jesus said something he didn't mean. Jesus did not lie. He meant everything he said.

Exactly!
Hear hear!

 

[Right Divider]

Right then. Are you saying that if Jesus were here today that he would tell you not to pay your taxes?

Jesus would not allow government collected money to be used for murdering innocent babies.

Jesus would not allow those that work hard for their money to have it taken away and given to lazy people that refuse to work.

etc. etc. etc.

 

[ok doser]

Any appropriation of property belonging to another is not to be regarded as dishonest if undertaken by any official body or Court order ..

:sigh:

 

[JudgeRightly]

If you love your neighbour then you probably won't mind paying in for services to all your neighbours.

Why do I have to be FORCED to go through a third party to do so?

The answer is that I DON'T have to be forced to give, yet the government, under penalty of law, requires that I give my money to those undeserving of it, without my consent.

But you quote more laws than that, for sure........ you did in an earlier post.
Why do you quote laws and then leave them out?

To confuse people like yourself.

Laws enacted by democratically elected governments do not steal.

Because you say so?

If the people don't like a law then they can vote for it to be repealed.

So if the lazy decide they don't like the law that says "Do not steal," does that mean they can vote for it to be repealed?

Your Constitution is quite a good one, don't you think?

Why do you keep bringing up the US Constitution?

 

[User Name]

Jesus would not allow government collected money to be used for murdering innocent babies.

Jesus would not allow those that work hard for their money to have it taken away and given to lazy people that refuse to work.

etc. etc. etc.

Feel free to refuse to pay your taxes then. But prepare to face the consequences.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Eider pounds his fists on the podium:

Yes there are........

No, there are not.

All of the moral laws (especially given in the Mosaic Law) are extrapolations of "Love God" and Love your neighbor.

Jesus redacted about 106.

Again. Saying it doesn't make it so, as Jesus did no such thing.

What he did was correct the common (at the time) understanding of what the laws said, referring to the original laws that He Himself gave.

That leaves 507 laws.

I commend you on your impeccable math skills. :mock:

Why would you ignore any?

What laws am I ignoring if I love God and love my neighbor?

Have you stopped beating your wife yet? :dunce:z`

 

[JudgeRightly]

None that I know of, we already have laws on the books against the things you list so I don't see any conflict.

Sure, we have laws that read as the above, but that's special pleading. You're ignoring all of the laws that DO, in fact, violate those laws.

Such as the laws that allow babies to be murdered in their mother's wombs without any consequence for the people doing the abortions.

Such as the laws that allow the government to take from my pocket to give to people I don't know who have not earned the money I worked for.

Such as the laws that make it nearly impossible for a man who had his wife (or vice versa) to get any justice at all.
Such as the laws that allow divorce for any reason whatsoever.
Such as the laws that allow perverts to do things in public that should never have even been allowed in the first place.

And when was the last time you read about someone being punished for bearing false witness against his neighbor?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Right then. Are you saying that if Jesus were here today that he would tell you not to pay your taxes?

If Jesus were here today, He would tell you that 10% tax is tyrannical, but that the government needs to be funded so that it can perform its three just functions, providing and maintaining infrastructure, protecting its citizen's God-given rights and where possible, other people's God-given rights, and to punish criminals, both foreign and domestic.

What that does not include, as is relevant to this discussion, is taking care of people medically or monetarily, nor should the government attempt to take care of people from cradle to grave.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Feel free to refuse to pay your taxes then. But prepare to face the consequences.

Sorry, your bait and switch won't work here.

 

[User Name]

If Jesus were here today, He would tell you that 10% tax is tyrannical

I don't know what the tax rate was in Judea during Jesus' day, but I'm guessing the Roman tribute was at least 10% if not more. Whatever it was, Jesus told them to pay it, no ifs ands or buts.

What that does not include, as is relevant to this discussion, is taking care of people medically or monetarily, nor should the government attempt to take care of people from cradle to grave.

If that is the law of the land (and it already is to some degree), you don't get to skirt it without consequences.

 

[User Name]

Sorry, your bait and switch won't work here.

What "bait and switch" are you talking about? If you don't want to pay your taxes, that's on you.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Yes, Eider! How about trying to read and learn something for yourself instead of believing every mindless thing anyone happens to tell you. You're just the sort of moron that would let the next Hitler come into power. You'd almost certainly vote for him and go to his rallies!

Nazism, also known as National Socialism or Fascism is just about as far left as you can get. It isn't Marxist which is all about class envy and economic equality but it is very very collectivist. It was socially, economically and politically all about the German society subordinating their personal interests to the collective good (precisely how this shut down has been sold to the entire world, by the way!). Fascism, including Nazi style Fascism has almost nothing at all in common with the right, which is all about personal responsibility and individual freedom from any such collectivist kind of thinking. Fascism dictatorially insists on a strongly regimented and planned society that forcibly oppresses any form of descent. While the right or conservatism, on the other hand, is about private property rights, the rule of law and capitalism all of which Fascism is directly and definitively apposed to.

The reason Nazism is said to be far right is nothing more than a rewrite of history because the left doesn't want to be associated with the likes of Hitler and Mussolini. People think that because it's apposed to Communism that it must be right wing. Only fools believe such vapid stupidity.


Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than sitting in your garage makes you a car. Hitler was a murderer. The only people who have him beat in the category of mass murder are all communists, the only thing on the political spectrum that is arguably further to the left than Hitler's government.

Clete

Just absolute, utter garbage. The Nazis were about as far left as people who think homosexuals should be executed, oh, which is what they did in fact.

lain:

 

[User Name]

Sure, we have laws that read as the above, but that's special pleading. You're ignoring all of the laws that DO, in fact, violate those laws.

Such as the laws that allow babies to be murdered in their mother's wombs without any consequence for the people doing the abortions.

If you think abortion is wrong, don't get an abortion. Your problem solved.

I think most so-called "pro-life" politicians only use abortion as a political football, but they don't really want to truly outlaw it. If they did, what would some of them do when they get their mistresses pregnant? Wouldn't want the wife to find out. They might want a divorce.

Such as the laws that allow the government to take from my pocket to give to people I don't know who have not earned the money I worked for.

Well, it's a safe bet that the Romans weren't using their tribute money to pay for social welfare programs, so there's that. We've come a long way from that barbaric time, thank God.

Such as the laws that make it nearly impossible for a man who had his wife (or vice versa) to get any justice at all.

I'm not sure what you're even referring to here, and I am hesitant to find out.

Such as the laws that allow divorce for any reason whatsoever.

It's none of my business why anyone else decides to get divorced. Back in the "good old days," wives got beaten and had no recourse.

Such as the laws that allow perverts to do things in public that should never have even been allowed in the first place.

Again, I'm not specifically sure what you are referring to here. There are public indecency laws. If they don't go far enough for you, then work with others to lobby for changes.

And when was the last time you read about someone being punished for bearing false witness against his neighbor?

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[Jefferson]

If it's a law then your moral responsibility is to follow it or face consequences. Or do you think following laws should be optional? If you disagree with a law, then it is your moral responsibility to raise public support to get the law changed. Until that is done, you must obey it.

Where did I say otherwise?

 

[Jefferson]

You've got a vote. So you vote, then you go along with the choice of the people, surely.??

What is it...... Government of, for and by the people?

One moment you post in support of your government, now you knock it?
That's no good.

How 'bout answering my question? Are all
laws decreed by the government moral?

 

[eider]

Why do I have to be FORCED to go through a third party to do so?

The answer is that I DON'T have to be forced to give, yet the government, under penalty of law, requires that I give my money to those undeserving of it, without my consent.

If you want to love in a cohesive and strong community then you would need to keep to the agreed rules and laws.
If you don't want to contribute to the country where you live, then that's up to the country........ what it wants to do about it.
You don't know who is deserving or not, able or not........

To confuse people like yourself.

Bully for you! Keep on confusing me then, but if you confuse enough folks then they'll never believe what you say.

Because you say so?

So if the lazy decide they don't like the law that says "Do not steal," does that mean they can vote for it to be repealed?

So you think that all people who cannot support themselves are lazy? The Mosaic laws did not!
Do you think that the people will ever want to repeal the theft laws? They may (and have) wanted to adjust them....... I can think of examples, but never repeal all.

Why do you keep bringing up the US Constitution?

If you don't live in the States, just tell me where you live and I would do my best to refer to the laws of the land which you live in.

 

[eider]

Judge Rightly pounds his fists on the podium:


No, there are not.

All of the moral laws (especially given in the Mosaic Law) are extrapolations of "Love God" and Love your neighbor.

Well it would be best to uphold them.
You need to provide for the poor, the disabled, the unable, the sick, the needy, but you seem to be saying that you shan't and won't.
That doesn't seem very loving to me.

Again. Saying it doesn't make it so, as Jesus did no such thing.

What he did was correct the common (at the time) understanding of what the laws said, referring to the original laws that He Himself gave.

Yes....... Jesus did exactly that......... his call was 'I will have mercy and not sacrifice'. So I don't trust folks who have absolutely no mercy or care for their whole communities.

I commend you on your impeccable math skills. :mock:

You cannot win hearts by mocking them.

What laws am I ignoring if I love God and love my neighbor?

You're showing that you don't love your neighbours at all........ You seem to brand anybody who cannot pay their way as lazy.
People who shan't or won't support their entire communities don't have love.

Have you stopped beating your wife yet? :dunce:z`

That's just sad.......... really sad.

 

[eider]

And when was the last time you read about someone being punished for bearing false witness against his neighbor?

Where I live any body who gives false witness against another goes to prison........... every time!
We call it 'Perversion of the course of Justice' and it carries an auto-custodial sentence.
Such cases are heard regularly.

If you don't like any of your laws, go and vote for a representative who will change them.
But you won't get too many changes during the next term of office (if you live in the USA).

 

[eider]

I don't know what the tax rate was in Judea during Jesus' day, but I'm guessing the Roman tribute was at least 10% if not more. Whatever it was, Jesus told them to pay it, no ifs ands or buts.

We know that taxation on (for example) the boatmen of Genessaret were massive, and taxation on boats, persons, nets, catches and landings were charged at every point.

I think that Judge Rightly is just guessing about all this.