If one is "born gay" how do you explain ex-gays?

jgarden

BANNED
Banned
Nobody makes a conscious choice as to their sexual orientation and given the contempt that society harbors toward gays, why would anyone deliberately adopt that life style if there was an alternative?
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Evil is man's default setting
The default setting of human beings is general compliance to societal boundaries and guidelines.
... and when the societal boundaries and guidelines told the Volksgemeinschaft that the life of the Jew was without value and must be exterminated, they were happy to be compliant ...
... your silly, reductionist intro about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

in what way is "and when the societal boundaries and guidelines told the Volksgemeinschaft that the life of the Jew was without value and must be exterminated, they were happy to be compliant" silly or reductionist?



I strongly recommend https://www.amazon.com/Ordinary-Men-Reserve-Battalion-Solution/dp/0060995068
 
Last edited:

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
In any population there is a subset of individuals who have little to no capacity for empathy or compassion, or awareness of harm caused to others. This group represents roughly 5% of the population and are known as sociopaths and psychopaths.


as the Stanford Prison Experiment shows, it only takes six days to change that to 30%
 

McCoy

New member
as the Stanford Prison Experiment shows, it only takes six days to change that to 30%

No. That would be a sociopath sir. Psychopaths actually have a different brain structures than the rest of the population and their disorder appears to be innate.
 

McCoy

New member
in what way is "and when the societal boundaries and guidelines told the Volksgemeinschaft that the life of the Jew was without value and must be exterminated, they were happy to be compliant" silly or reductionist?



I strongly recommend https://www.amazon.com/Ordinary-Men-.../dp/0060995068

Because it’s reductionist in the extreme. First of all, the Nazi ideology as represented by the German National Socialism never held more than 37% of the National vote in a federal election, and most Germans were uncomfortable with Hitler and his ideas. The majority of the German population were not “happy to be compliant” you dolt. The majority of Germans made a decision to merely survive or go against the maniacal minority who had seized the wheel of the entire power structure and risk brown shirt beat downs, work camps, privation, death .
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
... The majority of the German population were not “happy to be compliant” ...

:think:

The majority of Germans made a decision to merely survive ...



com·pli·ant

/kəmˈplīənt/

adjective: compliant
  • 1.
    inclined to agree with others or obey rules, especially to an excessive degree; acquiescent.
    "a compliant labor force"





perhaps you have a different definition of "compliant" :idunno:
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
from der spiegel

How Hitler Won Over the German People

There were still many Germans who were skeptical of Hitler when he became chancellor in 1933. But Führer propaganda and military success soon turned him into an idol. The adulation helped make the Third Reich catastrophe possible.

.....

Much suggests, in fact, that between the death of Hindenburg in August 1934 and the expansion into Austria and the Sudetenland four years later Hitler was indeed successful in gaining the backing of the vast majority of the German people, something of immeasurable importance for the disastrous course of German policy ahead. Apart perhaps from the immediate aftermath of the astonishing victory in France in summer 1940, Hitler's popularity was never higher than at the height of his foreign-policy successes in 1938.


https://www.spiegel.de/international...-a-531909.html

 
Last edited:

jgarden

BANNED
Banned
gay-quotes-07.jpg


If one is "born gay" how do you explain ex-gays?


Where is the credible evidence from reputable scientific and medical sources that sexual orientation is a conscious choice?

Can "ex-gays" and "ex-straights" even exist!
 
Last edited:

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
[h=2]If one is "born gay" how do you explain ex-gays?[/h]
Where is the credible evidence from reputable scientific and medical sources that "ex-gays" even exist!

many British studies show 30% of male heterosexual prisoners enjoy homosexual behaviors while imprisoned and revert to heterosexuality when released

these are studies by the British government, accepted by the scientific community

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...hUKEwj7irynyZPnAhUJVt8KHQlmBi8Q4dUDCAc&uact=5
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
heterosexuality is the defualt setting, normal
Can "ex-gays" and "ex-straights" even exist!

no such thing as "ex-gay", the way you're using it

"ex-straight"? sure

same as ex-non-pedophile, or ex-non-murderer, or ex-non-rapist

ex-straight = homo

homo's exist, same as pedophiles, same as murderers, same as rapists
 

McCoy

New member
from der spiegel

How Hitler Won Over the German People

There were still many Germans who were skeptical of Hitler when he became chancellor in 1933. But Führer propaganda and military success soon turned him into an idol. The adulation helped make the Third Reich catastrophe possible.

.....

Much suggests, in fact, that between the death of Hindenburg in August 1934 and the expansion into Austria and the Sudetenland four years later Hitler was indeed successful in gaining the backing of the vast majority of the German people, something of immeasurable importance for the disastrous course of German policy ahead. Apart perhaps from the immediate aftermath of the astonishing victory in France in summer 1940, Hitler's popularity was never higher than at the height of his foreign-policy successes in 1938.


https://www.spiegel.de/international...-a-531909.html


Sorry, i don’t go to magazines to learn about history. This is not to say that the linked article doesn’t make valid points— I haven’t read it and I probably won’t. Why? Because this is a thread debating the possibility of sexual orientation being innate and you and I have not hitherto been engaged in a good faith historical debate that would warrant me fact-checking the article in question. My initial point was that your self-styled cliff’s notes versions of history were silly and if you want to debate the rise of anti-Semitism in 19th and 20th century Europe and its causes, I’d be happy to take it over to a history forum.

Let’s just say that this point of contention began with me challenging your assertion that the default position of human nature is total lawlessness— an assertion which is demonstrably false, by even a cursory glance at crime stats worldwide. The vast majority of human beings alive on the planet, maintain the general boundaries of basic morality, i.e. harm reduction and fairness. Again, if this weren’t so, America would have complete societal breakdown and anarchy— which contrary to your doomsday fetish it does not.
 
Top