Oh the Irony...

[Arthur Brain]

You are the one who brought up Lazarus as some kind of defense for the women stealing space in a home that isn't theirs.

Oh, right. I wasn't actually, I brought up Lazarus as a counter point to some who seem to think that homeless people/beggars and the like are simply "bums" if you read back and still to hear back on the point where folk are incensed by this event.

 

[God's Truth]

Oh, right. I wasn't actually, I brought up Lazarus as a counter point to some who seem to think that homeless people/beggars and the like are simply "bums" if you read back and still to hear back on the point where folk are incensed by this event.

I didn't even consider for a second that which you claim.

So there are people here who put down people who are sick and in need like Lazarus?

 

[ok doser]

I brought up Lazarus as a counter point to some who seem to think that homeless people/beggars and the like are simply "bums" ...

nobody here in this thread was doing that

congratulations on your strawman :yawn:

 

[ok doser]

So there are people here who put down people who are sick and in need like Lazarus?

 

[Arthur Brain]

I didn't even consider for a second that which you claim.

So there are people here who put down people who are sick and in need like Lazarus?

Well they're very reticent to address Lazarus in relation to this topic (and others) and it's pretty obvious as to why. They'll self righteously label people as "bums" who often are simply people in unfortunate circumstances but they won't condemn Lazarus in the same token who had the audacity to beg for scraps of food instead of "getting a job...".

 

[ok doser]

Well they're very reticent to address Lazarus in relation to this topic (and others) and it's pretty obvious as to why. They'll self righteously label people as "bums" who often are simply people in unfortunate circumstances but they won't condemn Lazarus in the same token who had the audacity to beg for scraps of food instead of "getting a job...".

:yawn:

more strawmen

 

[God's Truth]

Well they're very reticent to address Lazarus in relation to this topic (and others) and it's pretty obvious as to why. They'll self righteously label people as "bums" who often are simply people in unfortunate circumstances but they won't condemn Lazarus in the same token who had the audacity to beg for scraps of food instead of "getting a job...".

Lazarus was sick and he wasn't stealing.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Lazarus was sick and he wasn't stealing.

Was he a "bum" in your opinion?

 

[God's Truth]

Was he a "bum" in your opinion?

Where do you ever get that you should ask me if a sick person is a bum?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Where do you ever get that you should ask me if a sick person is a bum?

Maybe he became sick and homeless and was reduced to begging because of "choice". Do you regard homeless people or those in poverty as "bums" in the main? Plenty do.

 

[God's Truth]

Maybe he became sick and homeless and was reduced to begging because of "choice". Do you regard homeless people or those in poverty as "bums" in the main? Plenty do.

He became sick as a choice?

No matter how many ways you try to spin it, Lazarus doesn't make your case for you.

 

[Arthur Brain]

He became sick as a choice?

No matter how many ways you try to spin it, Lazarus doesn't make your case for you.

He begged for food, how much spin do you want to put on what other people disparagingly describe as "bums"?

 

[God's Truth]

He begged for food, how much spin do you want to put on what other people disparagingly describe as "bums"?

Lazarus was laid where he was and had sores.

Nowhere does it say he was an able bodied person stealing.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Lazarus was laid where he was and had sores.

Nowhere does it say he was an able bodied person stealing.

He should have just got a job before any such situation came about then shouldn't he? Then he wouldn't have had those sores and no need to beg for scraps of food, right?

 

[Gary K]

Hmm, your "reasons" are bat crazy and your desire to label anyone a "Marxist" who doesn't step in line with your own beliefs has been all too evident. You tried this same garbage with anna and were schooled in the ignorance of it time and again. If you want to label people and assume what they think then knock yourself out but there's no reason to take you seriously. May as well be getting "lectured" by Alex Jones...

:rain:

Excuse me while I chuckle. It's very easy to tell when you have no arguments left. You always return posts like this one. You abandon all semblence of presenting evidence and go full-bore ad hominen attack.

If everything I said was sooo loony you ought to have been able to refute everything I said very easily, but you didn't even make the attempt. :doh:

Oh, btw, remember when you told me you were upset with the Labour party because they weren't enacting their agenda quickly enough for you and as such breaking their promises to do so? As Labour is full-bore socialist you vote socialist, are upset when full bore socialism isn't put in place fast enough, and all the time claim not to be a socialist. You're a funny man AB.

 

[God's Truth]

He should have just got a job before any such situation came about then shouldn't he? Then he wouldn't have had those sores and no need to beg for scraps of food, right?

The Bible doesn't say all that, and you shouldn't act like it does.

You tried to use Lazarus as an example of what those able bodied thieving women did.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Excuse me while I chuckle. It's very easy to tell when you have no arguments left. You always return posts like this one. You abandon all semblence of presenting evidence and go full-bore ad hominen attack.

If everything I said was sooo loony you ought to have been able to refute everything I said very easily, but you didn't even make the attempt. :doh:

Oh, btw, remember when you told me you were upset with the Labour party because they weren't enacting their agenda quickly enough for you and as such breaking their promises to do so? As Labour is full-bore socialist you vote socialist, are upset when full bore socialism isn't put in place fast enough, and all the time claim not to be a socialist. You're a funny man AB.

Um, no, I don't remember saying any such thing about the Labour party, probably because I didn't and it's all in your head. Nor did I vote for them either but hey, imagine so if you want as well.

Go chuckle some more if you want but in reality you're just making stuff up and why, who knows...

 

[Arthur Brain]

The Bible doesn't say all that, and you shouldn't act like it does.

You tried to use Lazarus as an example of what those able bodied thieving women did.

I'm not acting like it does, quite the opposite and you really should have got that.

 

[God's Truth]

I'm not acting like it does, quite the opposite and you really should have got that.

You are talking about things that have nothing to do with nothing.

Lazarus was LAID at the rich man's place and was righteous because when he died he went to Abraham.

People who are able bodied shouldn't steal and they surely can move to a town they can afford.

 

[Clete]

Why would anyone take seriously an argument that suggests that Christians are somehow apposed to the poor or to charity? I mean, how desperate are you to find something bad to say about God, the bible and those who believe in both? It's just utter insanity!

It is not a sin to be a beggar, per se. The condition can and often does arise because of sin but certainly not always. Nor is it a sin to give a beggar the alms he's asking for. On the contrary, giving alms to the poor is a very good thing to do so long as you are giving those alms to those in need due to circumstances outside of their control and that you aren't enabling the person to live a destructive lifestyle of drunkard laziness. The policies of this country make it very difficult indeed to be kind to the poor because the left has robbed us of the opportunity to help the honestly downtrodden and left, for the most part, only those who will not provide for themselves to beg on street corners and thus should be left to go hungry that they might be better motivated to buy food with their money instead of drugs and alcohol.

Regardless, all of that, whether you agree with a syllable of it or not, is entirely beside the point! The disagreement we have with these squatting women has nothing to do with whether they are poor, why they are poor or whether someone should give them a place to live. It isn't about that - AT ALL!!! If your on the left, you are stupid and therefore have no idea, at this point, what I could possibly be getting at and so I'll have to repeat what I've already said and spell it out for those of you who can't think past your own noses.

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO ANYTHING THAT MUST BE PROVIDED TO THEM BY SOMEONE ELSE!!!!

The fact that someone is poor does not give them a claim check to the assets of the rich! The rich may and very often do choose to help the poor in any way they see fit. They can be as generous as they desire to be to whomever they choose for whatever reason they decide but to force them to give over the use or disposition of their property is theft. It is nothing but a back door form of slavery that undermines the very premise of freedom from tyranny that not only harms the rich but the poor that is supposed to be helping and in the end collapses the very society that makes getting rich possible in the first place.