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  • #61
    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Prediction from http://kgov.com/predictions:


    Claims of spotted alien spaceships will diminish as video cell phones multiply. (Apparently, most aliens travel thousands of light years to get here so that they can disembowel cattle, make crop circles, and fly over Phoenix. Then, being introverts, they leave.) Feb. 2017 Update: Regarding reported UFOs, there are huge spikes around July 4th each year but the "spotting of flying saucers has been on the downturn" dropping from around 50% of all UFO sightings for decades to now less than 25% (as compared to just sighting some light in the sky). Dec. 2017 Update: "The National UFO Reporting Center... logged a total of 4,655 sightings in 2017, down from the 2016 total of 5,619." [Note: Just as RSR rejects that UFOs represent aliens, we also reject that they represent demonic activity. The Bible describes some demonic activity during the history of the Old Testament. However, the Scriptures do not present a single case of demon possession or exorcism throughout all those thousands of years prior to the New Testament. We note that from our perspective, this important overview-type observation is virtually never shared by those teachers who claim that demons can physically intervene today.]
    To video cell phones, here, I would also add drone technology. Interesting, the mention of July 4th, here. Several years ago, the night of July 4th, while we were watching fireworks going up into the sky all around, I noticed the lights of some sort of flying craft that was moving about in ways that I was not used to seeing flying objects move about. But, I did not, even for a second, think, "Oh, wow! It must be life from somewhere beyond!" Instead, I realized that it was likely a drone, and, since all the fireworks going up into the sky were illegal, I figured that it was, perhaps, some sort of police surveillance drone that I was seeing, maybe being used to try to track the illegal fireworks. But, I remember, at the time, thinking to myself something like, "Hmmmm. Seeing how that thing can maneuver through the sky, it seems that, once people have become widely accustomed to seeing drones, and the novelty wears off, that's gonna create an even more impassable chasm between "UFO" hucksters and dreamers, on the one hand, and serious-minded thinkers, on the other."
    All my ancestors are human.
    PS: All your ancestors are human.
    PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by User Name View Post
      There are those who claim to have been abducted by ETs and taken aboard UFOs. The following video testimony of one such abduction includes videotaped footage of the unknown objects:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXVA...&index=16&t=0s
      You assume them folk are honest? I, for one, don't assume they are.

      Originally posted by User Name View Post
      Viewers of this thread will take note of the fact that all of the mockers have utterly refused to discuss any of the evidence. They don't dare try, because the moment they try to pick the evidence apart they will realize it is true.
      Why do you imagine that that "sweet, little, old lady", in the video, who tells us, "...and soon, I was moving through the wall!", is not--couldn't possibly be--herself, a mocker, mocking people who eagerly lap up such silliness? Why imagine that she, and others telling similar, silly tales, are not, by such tale-telling, mockers of those gullible enough to take their performance seriously?

      What would you say that lady's saying, "...and soon, I was moving through the wall!", is evidence for? That she was moving through the wall?
      All my ancestors are human.
      PS: All your ancestors are human.
      PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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      • #63
        The Universe, BTW, is not infinite. And we are sending out signals that any advanced civilization would recognize as coming from (more or less) intelligent life. Our signature is now over a hundred light-years out into the galaxy. So if anyone is listening in that range, they'll find us.

        No one really knows.

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        • #64
          UFO nuts.
          Where is the evidence for a global flood?
          E≈mc2
          "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

          "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
          -Bob B.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
            The Universe, BTW, is not infinite. And we are sending out signals that any advanced civilization would recognize as coming from (more or less) intelligent life. Our signature is now over a hundred light-years out into the galaxy. So if anyone is listening in that range, they'll find us.

            No one really knows.
            God made man. Aliens are a figment of man's imagination, especially popularized by the radio show (eventually made (and remade) into a film) "War of the Worlds."

            God did not make aliens. Man did.


            * Aliens Didn't Make Humans, Humans Made Aliens: Atheists claim that, "God didn't make man, man made God." However, belief in aliens is undeniably a man-made thing. Further, many atheists say that aliens made man. So, atheists are doing exactly what they falsely accuse Christians of.


            [LINK TO THE REST OF THE ARTICLE]

            Another argument against there being alien life "out there" is that the universe, as far as we can tell, is centered on the Earth (it's off by some light-years, but it's enough that we can tell that we're near the center; if we were dead-center, we wouldn't be able to tell at all if it was just an artifact of the measurements or if we really were in the center). The argument is philosophical in nature.


            Summary: The belief, held by faith by many cosmologists, that God did not create the universe suggests, as codified in their Copernican and Cosmological principles, claims that the Earth is not in a special place. If however, the most expansive scientific observations ever made demonstrate that the universe has, in effect, a north and a south pole, aligned in an uncanny way with the Earth's orbit around the sun, then that would suggest that when God created the heavens and the Earth, that He put the Earth in a special place. Thus, atheistic cosmologists have coined the term Axis of Evil because in their upside down worldview, anything is evil if it is evidence against the big bang and for the God of the Bible.

            https://youtu.be/ARfRKqzat3w
            RSR's List of Evidence Against The Big Bang


            * First – The BIG NAMES in Cosmology and Physics Admit It's Philosophy: Stephen Hawking, Richard Feynman, Edwin Hubble, George Ellis, and so many other accomplished scientists admit that it is not observational science, but philosophy, that leads such big bang advocates to claim that the universe has no center (and thus that it is homogenous and isotropic, the same everywhere and in every direction). If you don't know that, read their quotes at rsr.org/cosmological-prinicple. If you've read their comments, and you are still in denial about this, ask God to help you, and He will. Meanwhile, the rest of us may proceed...

            . . .


            [LINK TO THE REST OF THE ARTICLE]

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            • #66
              Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
              Could you tell me what (if anything) ought to be called a "UFO"?
              "There are some definite flight type characteristics that are seen now that I would say represent genuine UFOs...ie: instant acceleration; instant stop; vertical acceleration - up into the air and down to the ground; reverses in direction; right angle turns - all in silence - multiple objects sometimes separating and then going back into each other. They are classic, what I would call, genuine UFO characteristics - things that we can not do in a conventional sense." - British Detective Constable Gary Heseltine

              "More than 10,000 sightings have been reported, the majority of which cannot be accounted for by any scientific explanation, e.g., that they are hallucinations, the effects of light refraction, meteors, wheels falling from aeroplanes, and the like. They have been tracked on radar screens and the observed speeds have been as great as 9,000 mph." -- Air Chief Marshall Lord Dowding, Commanding Officer of the RAF during WWII

              On December 2, 1952 the CIA’s Assistant Director H. Marshall Chadwell noted in a classified report on UFO activity in American airspace:

              “Sightings of unexplained objects at great altitudes and traveling at high speeds in the vicinity of major U.S. defense installations are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles.”

              -- https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...ormat=original

              Director of the CIA, Roscoe Hillencoter, stated at a 1962 NICAP press conference in Washington D.C.:

              "I know that neither Russia nor this country has anything even approaching such high speeds and maneuvers. Behind the scenes high ranking officers are soberly concerned about UFOs, but through official secrecy and ridicule many citizens are led to believe that the unknown flying objects are nonsense. . .To hide the facts, the Air Force has silenced its personnel."

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              • #67

                - Claims of spotted aliens and alien spaceships will diminish as video cell phones multiply. (Apparently, most aliens travel thousands of light years to get here so that they can disembowel cattle, make crop circles, and fly over Phoenix. Then, being introverts, they leave.) Feb. 2017 Update: Regarding reported UFOs, there are huge spikes around July 4th each year but the "spotting of flying saucers has been on the downturn" dropping from around 50% of all UFO sightings for decades to now less than 25% (as compared to just sighting some light in the sky). Dec. 2017 Update: "The National UFO Reporting Center... logged a total of 4,655 sightings in 2017, down from the 2016 total of 5,619." [Note: First, this prediction is not about blips of light. Secondly, just as RSR rejects that UFOs represent aliens, we also reject that they represent demonic activity. . . .


                [https://kgov.com/list-of-creation-sc...edictions#ufos]
                Last edited by JudgeRightly; August 28th, 2019, 03:01 AM.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                  Another argument against there being alien life "out there" is that the universe, as far as we can tell, is centered on the Earth (it's off by some light-years, but it's enough that we can tell that we're near the center; if we were dead-center, we wouldn't be able to tell at all if it was just an artifact of the measurements or if we really were in the center). The argument is philosophical in nature.
                  The observable universe seems to center on us. The ancient Chinese made the same argument for the world centering on them. Clearly, they were in the center of the observable world. The characters for China reflect their faulty understanding of the structure of the world. "中国" means "middle kingdom."

                  From our vantage point on the Earth, we infer that the observable Universe is 15 billion light-years in size in every direction that we look - in other words, we infer that we are at the center of a sphere 15 billion light-years in radius.

                  This does not mean, however, that we are at the centre of the Universe; it just means that we are at the centre of our observable Universe. A fundamental principle in our understanding of the Universe itself, called the Cosmological Principle, states that the Universe is homogeneous and isotropic on the largest scales. That means that on the whole, the Universe as seen from any vantage point (even one that is 15 billion light-years away from us!) will measure a spherical observable Universe with a radius of 15 billion light-years.

                  http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/peo...e-intermediate

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                    The observable universe seems to center on us. The ancient Chinese made the same argument for the world centering on them. Clearly, they were in the center of the observable world. The characters for China reflect their faulty understanding of the structure of the world. "中国" means "middle kingdom."

                    From our vantage point on the Earth, we infer that the observable Universe is 15 billion light-years in size in every direction that we look - in other words, we infer that we are at the center of a sphere 15 billion light-years in radius.

                    This does not mean, however, that we are at the centre of the Universe; it just means that we are at the centre of our observable Universe. A fundamental principle in our understanding of the Universe itself, called the Cosmological Principle, states that the Universe is homogeneous and isotropic on the largest scales. That means that on the whole, the Universe as seen from any vantage point (even one that is 15 billion light-years away from us!) will measure a spherical observable Universe with a radius of 15 billion light-years.

                    http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/peo...e-intermediate
                    You missed it. Try again:

                    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                    Another argument against there being alien life "out there" is that the universe, as far as we can tell, is centered on the Earth (it's off by some light-years, but it's enough that we can tell that we're near the center; if we were dead-center, we wouldn't be able to tell at all if it was just an artifact of the measurements or if we really were in the center). The argument is philosophical in nature.


                    Summary: The belief, held by faith by many cosmologists, that God did not create the universe suggests, as codified in their Copernican and Cosmological principles, claims that the Earth is not in a special place. If however, the most expansive scientific observations ever made demonstrate that the universe has, in effect, a north and a south pole, aligned in an uncanny way with the Earth's orbit around the sun, then that would suggest that when God created the heavens and the Earth, that He put the Earth in a special place. Thus, atheistic cosmologists have coined the term Axis of Evil because in their upside down worldview, anything is evil if it is evidence against the big bang and for the God of the Bible.

                    https://youtu.be/ARfRKqzat3w
                    RSR's List of Evidence Against The Big Bang


                    * First – The BIG NAMES in Cosmology and Physics Admit It's Philosophy: Stephen Hawking, Richard Feynman, Edwin Hubble, George Ellis, and so many other accomplished scientists admit that it is not observational science, but philosophy, that leads such big bang advocates to claim that the universe has no center (and thus that it is homogenous and isotropic, the same everywhere and in every direction). If you don't know that, read their quotes at rsr.org/cosmological-prinicple. If you've read their comments, and you are still in denial about this, ask God to help you, and He will. Meanwhile, the rest of us may proceed...

                    . . .


                    [LINK TO THE REST OF THE ARTICLE]

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                      You missed it. Try again:
                      No, I realize you have philosophical objections to the evidence. But it seems to me that a valid philosophy should at very least, be consistent with the evidence we have.

                      The prediction that a universe such as ours should be anisotropic was inadvertently confirmed when two engineers at Bell Labs, trying to make perfect microwave antenna, noticed that no matter what they did, there was a residual "noise" that persisted no matter which way they turned the antenna. It turned out to be the predicted residual radiation from the Big Bang.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                        No, I realize you have philosophical objections to the evidence. But it seems to me that a valid philosophy should at very least, be consistent with the evidence we have.

                        The prediction that a universe such as ours should be anisotropic was inadvertently confirmed when two engineers at Bell Labs, trying to make perfect microwave antenna, noticed that no matter what they did, there was a residual "noise" that persisted no matter which way they turned the antenna. It turned out to be the predicted residual radiation from the Big Bang.
                        You missed it.

                        Try again:


                        Summary: The belief, held by faith by many cosmologists, that God did not create the universe suggests, as codified in their Copernican and Cosmological principles, claims that the Earth is not in a special place. If however, the most expansive scientific observations ever made demonstrate that the universe has, in effect, a north and a south pole, aligned in an uncanny way with the Earth's orbit around the sun, then that would suggest that when God created the heavens and the Earth, that He put the Earth in a special place. Thus, atheistic cosmologists have coined the term Axis of Evil because in their upside down worldview, anything is evil if it is evidence against the big bang and for the God of the Bible.

                        https://youtu.be/ARfRKqzat3w
                        RSR's List of Evidence Against The Big Bang


                        * First – The BIG NAMES in Cosmology and Physics Admit It's Philosophy: Stephen Hawking, Richard Feynman, Edwin Hubble, George Ellis, and so many other accomplished scientists admit that it is not observational science, but philosophy, that leads such big bang advocates to claim that the universe has no center (and thus that it is homogenous and isotropic, the same everywhere and in every direction). If you don't know that, read their quotes at rsr.org/cosmological-prinicple. If you've read their comments, and you are still in denial about this, ask God to help you, and He will. Meanwhile, the rest of us may proceed...

                        . . .


                        [LINK TO THE REST OF THE ARTICLE]

                        I'm not the one making the initial argument.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                          I'm not the one making the initial argument.
                          Yes, I see that. It was someone on the website, who really misunderstood the evidence, not you. If I gave the impression that I thought you came up with that mess, my apologies.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                            Yes, I see that. It was someone on the website, who really misunderstood the evidence, not you. If I gave the impression that I thought you came up with that mess, my apologies.
                            So which part of the article was incorrect? Specifically, please.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                              So which part of the article was incorrect? Specifically, please.
                              "it is not observational science, but philosophy, that leads such big bang advocates to claim that the universe has no center (and thus that it is homogenous and isotropic, the same everywhere and in every direction)."

                              As noted, the Bell Labs engineers found the microwave background that was a necessary consequence of the Big Bang and an isotropic universe.

                              The cosmic microwave background (CMB, CMBR), in Big Bang cosmology, is electromagnetic radiation as a remnant from an early stage of the universe, also known as "relic radiation". The CMB is faint cosmic background radiation filling all space. It is an important source of data on the early universe because it is the oldest electromagnetic radiation in the universe, dating to the epoch of recombination. With a traditional optical telescope, the space between stars and galaxies (the background) is completely dark. However, a sufficiently sensitive radio telescope shows a faint background noise, or glow, almost isotropic, that is not associated with any star, galaxy, or other object. This glow is strongest in the microwave region of the radio spectrum. The accidental discovery of the CMB in 1964 by American radio astronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson[1][2] was the culmination of work initiated in the 1940s, and earned the discoverers the 1978 Nobel Prize in Physics.

                              CMB is landmark evidence of the Big Bang origin of the universe. When the universe was young, before the formation of stars and planets, it was denser, much hotter, and filled with a uniform glow from a white-hot fog of hydrogen plasma. As the universe expanded, both the plasma and the radiation filling it grew cooler. When the universe cooled enough, protons and electrons combined to form neutral hydrogen atoms. Unlike the uncombined protons and electrons, these newly conceived atoms could not scatter the thermal radiation by Thomson scattering, and so the universe became transparent instead of being an opaque fog.[3] Cosmologists refer to the time period when neutral atoms first formed as the recombination epoch, and the event shortly afterwards when photons started to travel freely through space rather than constantly being scattered by electrons and protons in plasma is referred to as photon decoupling. The photons that existed at the time of photon decoupling have been propagating ever since, though growing fainter and less energetic, since the expansion of space causes their wavelength to increase over time (and wavelength is inversely proportional to energy according to Planck's relation). This is the source of the alternative term relic radiation. The surface of last scattering refers to the set of points in space at the right distance from us so that we are now receiving photons originally emitted from those points at the time of photon decoupling.

                              Tiny residual variations in the glow show a very specific pattern, as would be expected of a fairly uniformly distributed hot gas that has expanded to the current size of the universe. In particular, the spectral radiance contains small anisotropies, or irregularities, which vary with the size of the region examined. They have been measured in detail, and match what would be expected if small thermal variations, generated by quantum fluctuations of matter in a very tiny space, had expanded to the size of the observable universe we see today. Although many different processes might produce the general form of a black body spectrum, no model other than the Big Bang has yet explained the fluctuations. As a result, most cosmologists consider the Big Bang model of the universe to be the best explanation for the CMB.

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic...ave_background

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                                "it is not observational science, but philosophy, that leads such big bang advocates to claim that the universe has no center (and thus that it is homogenous and isotropic, the same everywhere and in every direction)."

                                As noted, the Bell Labs engineers found the microwave background that was a necessary consequence of the Big Bang and an isotropic universe.

                                The cosmic microwave background (CMB, CMBR), in Big Bang cosmology, is electromagnetic radiation as a remnant from an early stage of the universe, also known as "relic radiation". The CMB is faint cosmic background radiation filling all space. It is an important source of data on the early universe because it is the oldest electromagnetic radiation in the universe, dating to the epoch of recombination. With a traditional optical telescope, the space between stars and galaxies (the background) is completely dark. However, a sufficiently sensitive radio telescope shows a faint background noise, or glow, almost isotropic, that is not associated with any star, galaxy, or other object. This glow is strongest in the microwave region of the radio spectrum. The accidental discovery of the CMB in 1964 by American radio astronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson[1][2] was the culmination of work initiated in the 1940s, and earned the discoverers the 1978 Nobel Prize in Physics.

                                CMB is landmark evidence of the Big Bang origin of the universe. When the universe was young, before the formation of stars and planets, it was denser, much hotter, and filled with a uniform glow from a white-hot fog of hydrogen plasma. As the universe expanded, both the plasma and the radiation filling it grew cooler. When the universe cooled enough, protons and electrons combined to form neutral hydrogen atoms. Unlike the uncombined protons and electrons, these newly conceived atoms could not scatter the thermal radiation by Thomson scattering, and so the universe became transparent instead of being an opaque fog.[3] Cosmologists refer to the time period when neutral atoms first formed as the recombination epoch, and the event shortly afterwards when photons started to travel freely through space rather than constantly being scattered by electrons and protons in plasma is referred to as photon decoupling. The photons that existed at the time of photon decoupling have been propagating ever since, though growing fainter and less energetic, since the expansion of space causes their wavelength to increase over time (and wavelength is inversely proportional to energy according to Planck's relation). This is the source of the alternative term relic radiation. The surface of last scattering refers to the set of points in space at the right distance from us so that we are now receiving photons originally emitted from those points at the time of photon decoupling.

                                Tiny residual variations in the glow show a very specific pattern, as would be expected of a fairly uniformly distributed hot gas that has expanded to the current size of the universe. In particular, the spectral radiance contains small anisotropies, or irregularities, which vary with the size of the region examined. They have been measured in detail, and match what would be expected if small thermal variations, generated by quantum fluctuations of matter in a very tiny space, had expanded to the size of the observable universe we see today. Although many different processes might produce the general form of a black body spectrum, no model other than the Big Bang has yet explained the fluctuations. As a result, most cosmologists consider the Big Bang model of the universe to be the best explanation for the CMB.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic...ave_background
                                Right, I get that that's what people who reject Genesis interpret the CMB as. In other words, The person who wrote that assumed that the evidence is evidence for the Big Bang, and by doing so, assumed the truth of the position.

                                In other words, question begging.

                                But that's not all that's being addressed here. It's not JUST the CMB we're talking about.

                                First, if you continue reading on kgov.com/cmb (the link to the portion of the summary you quoted above), you'll find this immediately following:


                                If however, the most expansive scientific observations ever made demonstrate that the universe has, in effect, a north and a south pole, aligned in an uncanny way with the Earth's orbit around the sun, then that would suggest that when God created the heavens and the Earth, that He put the Earth in a special place. Thus, atheistic cosmologists have coined the term Axis of Evil because in their upside down worldview, anything is evil if it is evidence against the big bang and for the God of the Bible.



                                In other words, if evidence can be found that indicates that the earth IS in a special place, then that is evidence of special creation, not the Big bang.

                                The "Axis of Evil" is such evidence.

                                Second, you seem to have failed to read the rest of the part of the article I quoted, which has big names saying that the arguments are philosophy.


                                Stephen Hawking, Richard Feynman, Edwin Hubble, George Ellis, and so many other accomplished scientists admit that it is not observational science, but philosophy, that leads such big bang advocates to claim that the universe has no center (and thus that it is homogenous and isotropic, the same everywhere and in every direction).



                                The kgov article then presents a link to their quotes, http://kgov.com/cosmological-principle.

                                There, we can find quotes (and the sources to the specified quotes) such as:


                                George Ellis (quoting Stephen Hawking):
                                “People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations... For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations... You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds... What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.”




                                Stephen Hawking himself:
                                [scientists] "are not able to make cosmological models without some admixture of ideology"
                                "... it might seem that if we observe all other galaxies to be moving away from us, then we must be at the center of the universe. There is, however, an alternate explanation: the universe might look the same in every direction as seen from any other galaxy, too. This, as we have seen, was Friedmann's second assumption. We have no SCIENTIFIC evidence for, or against this assumption. We believe it only on grounds of modesty: it would be most remarkable [i.e. unexpected to materialists] if the universe looked the same in every direction around us, but not around other points in the universe ..."




                                Philip Gibbs:
                                "Despite the discovery of a great deal of structure in the distribution of the galaxies, most cosmologists still hold to the cosmological principle either for philosophical reasons or because it is a useful working hypothesis..."




                                Marie-Noelle Celerier (regarding supernovae data explicitly
                                "ruling out the Cosmological Principle" [is a valid interpretation of the data]




                                Richard Feynman:
                                "I suspect that the assumption of uniformity of the universe reflects a prejudice... It would be embarrassing to find, after stating that we live in an ordinary planet about an ordinary star in an ordinary galaxy, that our place in the universe is extraordinary … To avoid embarrassment we cling to the hypothesis of uniformity."




                                Edwin Hubble:
                                "Such a condition would imply that we occupy a unique position in the universe, analogous, in a sense, to the ancient conception of a central earth. The hypothesis cannot be disproved but it is unwelcome..." [Regarding the possibility that] "the observer [is] in a unique position [this] unwelcome supposition of a favoured location must be avoided at all costs. Therefore, we accept the uniform distribution..."



                                Other names include: John Barrow and Frank Tipler, Willem de Sitter, Georges Lemaître, Werner Heisenberg, and Lawrence Krauss.

                                Honorable mentions: Aron Ra, The League of Reason (forum).

                                Third, had you continued reading the article on the kgov site, you would have found a direct quote of Lawrence Krauss saying the following (emphasis added):
                                "But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun — the plane of the earth around the sun — the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe. The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong [RSR: That's extreme hyperbole; No operational science would be wrong, only the typical wild guesswork of origins science would be wrong] and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is simply incorrect, or maybe it's telling us there's something weird about the microwave background results and that maybe, maybe there's something wrong with our theories on the larger scales."

                                Fourth, the evidence goes against the commonly accepted model, as stated on the Planck website:
                                "Planck data reveals the presence of subtle anomalies in the CMB pattern that might challenge the very foundations of cosmology."

                                Long story short: The evidence suggests that we are in a special place in the universe, regardless of what people believe about the CMB, which itself is evidence against, not for, the Big Bang.

                                And THAT, in turn, is evidence against the existence of aliens, UFOs their ships, and the like.
                                Last edited by JudgeRightly; August 29th, 2019, 11:18 AM. Reason: 5

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