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  • #31
    Originally posted by meshak View Post
    thank you Lon.

    Matthew 16:24 (NKJV)
    24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.



    So you sum up this for being His disciple or follower?
    Yes

    Originally posted by meshak View Post
    2) So do you admit He does not say anything about believing in the trinity is not condition to be saved?
    Hold on. Let's tackle trinity a bit later. We have a lot to discuss yet about disciple, new creation and saved.

    Meshak, did any disciples turn away? Do any new creations lose their new createdness? Does being a disciple mean 'saved?'

    Do you know of any scriptures that answer or address these questions? I will try to help in the next post but we are both committed to going to Jesus for the answers so I will wait on Him until He gives you these answers. -Lon
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    No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

    ? Yep

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    • #32
      Originally posted by meshak View Post
      thank you Lon.

      Matthew 16:24 (NKJV)
      24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.



      So you sum up this for being His disciple or follower?
      FYI, there are religious orders of the Church who take vows of poverty and such, for those who are led of God to that sort of life. They are great assets, and many Saints of the Church were led to lead lives like this.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Lon View Post
        Yes


        Hold on. Let's tackle trinity a bit later.
        I don't want to beat around bush.

        So you don't admit following Jesus is not the way to salvation?

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        • #34
          Hello Lon?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by meshak View Post
            So you don't admit following Jesus is not the way to salvation?
            I think my answer will be the same as many Christians. We follow Him because we are saved. We don't follow Him trying to earn salvation.
            Jesus paid the price for me and you at Calvary. I can't add on brownie points to what Jesus did, through my behavior. He paid my debt in full.

            Again...I follow Him because I love Him...I'm indebted to Him...He knows what is best for me and wants my obedience.
            Without Genesis, absolutely nothing makes sense in all of Scripture.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
              Lon is a Calvinist and will say that he doesn't do anything. He is as a brain dead person without a heart, and God will chose to make him alive for no reason except that he is Sovereignly picked.

              The Truth is that God tells us what to do to be saved, and we do it.

              God saves those who believe and obey Him.
              There she goes.....adding to the Gospel of Salvation. Shame on you, God's UNtruth.


              Why don't you tell us how many acts of obedience will get you saved and how many failures to obey will keep you from getting saved? Come on...don't be shy.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Lon View Post
                did any disciples turn away?
                Yes.
                Do any new creations lose their new createdness?
                No.
                Does being a disciple mean 'saved?'
                No.



                Originally posted by Lon View Post

                2)Do you think there is a difference between a new creation and a disciple?
                Yes.

                We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
                They already know monsters exist.
                We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
                  There she goes.....adding to the Gospel of Salvation. Shame on you, God's UNtruth.
                  Jesus says that we have to obey to be saved.

                  You don't know the scriptures?

                  Originally posted by glorydaz View Post

                  Why don't you tell us how many acts of obedience will get you saved
                  Jesus says to search and you will find.

                  Why don't you search for what he wants you to do?

                  He will save you when he accepts you.

                  Never give up, give out, or give in.

                  Wait for the Lord.

                  Originally posted by glorydaz View Post

                  and how many failures to obey will keep you from getting saved? Come on...don't be shy.
                  Paul says work it out with trembling and fear.
                  Oh how I love the Word of God!

                  Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Nihilo View Post
                    GT, you are so censored.
                    You need to believe in Him. John 3:16 (KJV)
                    What does you are so censored mean?
                    Oh how I love the Word of God!

                    Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Nihilo View Post
                      GT, you are so censored.
                      You need to believe in Him. John 3:16 (KJV)
                      As for that scripture about God so loving the world---that is about God loving His creation. God DOES NOT even know you personally unless you first love Him by obeying Him.

                      Go ahead, ask me for the scriptures.
                      Last edited by God's Truth; March 14th, 2017, 06:52 PM.
                      Oh how I love the Word of God!

                      Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by marhig View Post
                        Yep that's the truth!

                        John 16

                        He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

                        Romans 10

                        If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved

                        Acts 16

                        And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved

                        John 3

                        He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

                        There's no such thing as predestination, we have freewill and a choice, to believe the gospel and believe in Jesus, or not. And once we believe we are to repent. If we don't believe and repent, then we are rejecting God and Christ. God doesn't save people before they believe, they must believe first to be saved!
                        Exactly.
                        Oh how I love the Word of God!

                        Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Nihilo View Post
                          To quoth Saint John W, you're a dirty rat, and yet your and GT's biggest concern is pointing out that others are dirty rats. And since we're all dirty rats, what gives you any right or authority in proclaiming that others are dirty rats? You're not a less dirty rat, you're just a plain dirty rat.
                          What you said makes no sense. It sounds like you are an angry confused person. We are dirty rats you are a dirty rat, you say... You are the one speaking of rats and being a hypocrite.
                          Oh how I love the Word of God!

                          Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by 6days View Post
                            Although I disagree with you often...you are totally correct with what you say in this post. But... we don't become disciples by doing; Instead we do because we are His disciples.
                            No, there isn't a tricky way to obey or to say you obey.

                            There is never ever a wrong way to obey.

                            You have been taught wrong by someone to believe that it is somehow wrong to obey, and to say you obey.

                            It is not tricky.

                            Obey to get saved, and to stay saved.
                            Oh how I love the Word of God!

                            Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Lon View Post
                              Yes


                              Hold on. Let's tackle trinity a bit later. We have a lot to discuss yet about disciple, new creation and saved.

                              Meshak, did any disciples turn away?
                              Yes, disciples turned away/


                              Originally posted by Lon View Post
                              Do any new creations lose their new createdness?
                              Yes, Satan ensnares people and people lose their salvation.

                              Originally posted by Lon View Post

                              Does being a disciple mean 'saved?'
                              Disciple means saved.

                              Originally posted by Lon View Post
                              Do you know of any scriptures that answer or address these questions?
                              I sure do false accuser. You know, how you said earlier that I was a heretic.

                              Do you want to debate someone that knows God's Truth?

                              Originally posted by Lon View Post
                              I will try to help in the next post but we are both committed to going to Jesus for the answers so I will wait on Him until He gives you these answers. -Lon
                              So far you prove you know nothing.
                              Oh how I love the Word of God!

                              Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by meshak View Post
                                I don't want to beat around bush.

                                So you don't admit following Jesus is not the way to salvation?
                                Bump for Lon.

                                I see that you visited yet you did not answer my question.

                                You guys don't seem to know how to get saved it seems.

                                I am trying to prove your condition of being saved is not biblical.

                                So far you cannot answer my simple question.

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