Hello Lon

[Nihilo]

I am sorry but I am interested in what Calvinists have to say about it.

Then read the Westminster standards (confession and catechisms).

[marhig]

To quoth Saint John W, you're a dirty rat, and yet your and GT's biggest concern is pointing out that others are dirty rats. And since we're all dirty rats, what gives you any right or authority in proclaiming that others are dirty rats? You're not a less dirty rat, you're just a plain dirty rat.

Where did I call anyone a dirty rat?

[Nihilo]

Where did I call anyone a dirty rat?

It's a metaphor. Your whole life is to call people dirty rats. You're consumed with pointing out flaws in others.

[marhig]

It's a metaphor. Your whole life is to call people dirty rats. You're consumed with pointing out flaws in others.

We all have flaws, and yes i probably more than anyone, i am a sinner, but God through Christ can give all of us the strength to overcome our flesh, if we are willing to lay down our lives and and live by his will. At least I admit I sin, i don't go around saying I've got no sin they are in hell etc etc.

1 John 1

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

[Nihilo]

We all have flaws, and yes i probably more than anyone, i am a sinner, but God through Christ can give all of us the strength to overcome our flesh, if we are willing to lay down our lives and and live by his will. At least I admit I sin, i don't go around saying I've got no sin it's they are in hell etc etc.

1 John 1

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us*our*sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

OK, thank you.

[6days]

And what did Jesus tell those who believed in him that they are to do? He said to those who believed in him that they are to continue in his word, and that means live by what he taught. We are to be doers of the word and not hearers only.

John 8

As he spake these words, many believed on him.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed

Although I disagree with you often...you are totally correct with what you say in this post. But... we don't become disciples by doing; Instead we do because we are His disciples.

[meshak]

Then read the Westminster standards (confession and catechisms).

If you don't like this thread, you don't have to read it, friend.

peace.

[meshak]

Although I disagree with you often...you are totally correct with what you say in this post. But... we don't become disciples by doing; Instead we do because we are His disciples.

Jesus picked all His followers to become His disciples.

You cannot follow Him without doing anything.

Jesus told many things to follow Him to His disciples..

Why are you so bothered by Christians who is trying to obey Him?

[Angel4Truth]

Lon,

Thank you for giving me opportunity to discuss what Jesus says about Christianity.

My first question to you is:

1) what does Jesus say about how to become His disciple or follower?

Thank you again.

Whats your answer to that?

[Nihilo]

If you don't like this thread, you don't have to read it, friend.

peace.

Yup. But I like to pester your threads sometimes, just to keep you on your toes friend.

[meshak]

Yup. But I like to pester your threads sometimes, just to keep you on your toes friend.

thanks for your honesty.

peace.

[Eagles Wings]

Oh where, oh where, has our brother, Lon, gone?

[meshak]

Oh where, oh where, has our brother, Lon, gone?

He will be back.

Be patient, dear.

peace.

[Lon]

Lon,

Thank you for giving me opportunity to discuss what Jesus says about Christianity.

My first question to you is:

1) what does Jesus say about how to become His disciple or follower?

Thank you again.

Matt. 16:24

He will be back.

Be patient, dear.

peace.

Matt. 16:24

1) Yep, we deny all and take up our cross and follow Him OR we cannot be His disciples. How is everyone doing with that? Kudos if you are, (seriously)

2)Do you think there is a difference between a new creation and a disciple? Can one who is not a new creation follow Christ? Is everyone who is a disciple, a new creation?

3) Was the Lord Jesus Christ talking about a state of perfection? Was it a general attitude where if I flub up some days, that's okay? IOW, was it a teachable moment and pointing to something only He could do, or was it something that was actually possible?

4) I am not wealthy, but by the world's standards, I'm very wealthy, even poor in America. Jesus said Matthew 19:16-24
Is discipleship the same as heaven? If we really followed Jesus, would we have no home? Live in poverty? I think that is exactly what discipleship means: to follow in His exact footsteps. If not, what wouldn't we actually follow today? How would we know?

[meshak]

1) Yep, we deny all and take up our cross and follow Him OR we cannot be His disciples. How is everyone doing with that? Kudos if you are, (seriously)

2)Do you think there is a difference between a new creation and a disciple? Can one who is not a new creation follow Christ? Is everyone who is a disciple, a new creation?

3) Was the Lord Jesus Christ talking about a state of perfection? Was it a general attitude where if I flub up some days, that's okay? IOW, was it a teachable moment and pointing to something only He could do, or was it something that was actually possible?

4) I am not wealthy, but by the world's standards, I'm very wealthy, even poor in America. Jesus said Matthew 19:16-24
Is discipleship the same as heaven? If we really followed Jesus, would we have no home? Live in poverty? I think that is exactly what discipleship means: to follow in His exact footsteps. If not, what wouldn't we actually follow today? How would we know?

thank you Lon.

Matthew 16:24 (NKJV)
24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.


So you sum up this for being His disciple or follower?

2) So do you admit He does not say anything about believing in the trinity is not condition to be saved?