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  • Jacob
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    Originally posted by Sozo View Post
    Free from sin


    Key verses
    Shalom.

    There are a lot of good scriptures here. Good job!

    Shalom.

    Jacob

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  • godrulz
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    Legalism (self-righteous law keeping) and license (antinomianism-lawlessness) are heretical. The truth is that the law is good (it comes from God) and is fulfilled in love. The fulfillment of the law is to love God supremely and others equal to ourselves. If we do this, we will not worship idols, murder, adulterate, steal, etc.

    Augustine: Love God and do as you please (if your motive is love, you will not disobey His loving law, nor will you be a Pharisee).

    The Law can mean various things in various contexts. There is a difference between ceremonial laws for national Israel, and the universal moral law of God based on His character and being. The NT does not rescind the moral law (except a shift to the Lord's Day vs creation Sabbath).

    The Law has dual purposes: It is a schoolmaster that brings us to Christ because it condemns all of us as lawless sinners (no one can keep the law apart from God).

    The 10 commandments are still a basis for our Judeo-Christian legal system (what is left of it). They are absolutes for societal standards for the good of man.

    They also provide a framework for Christian living subsequent to justification by grace through faith apart from law or self-righteousness. Obedience is an expression of love which is an expression of genuine faith. If you love and trust Him, you will obey Him (vs godless, selfish rebellion). The NT reiterates the principles of the moral law of God. Believers are still to flee immorality, to have no other gods before God, to honor parents, etc. This is done in the power of the Spirit that draws on His law that is written on our hearts by the Spirit instead of stone Mosaic tablets by the finger of God.

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  • Knight
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    Originally posted by Sozo


    Are you saying that when Paul speaks of us not being under the Law, he is referring to circumcision, and not the whole Law?
    Circumcision is the "whole law".

    Galatians 2:7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter.

    It's a synonym for the law.

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  • Sozo
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    Originally posted by Knight
    If by "the law" you mean the law of circumcision then the answer is "no".


    Are you saying that when Paul speaks of us not being under the Law, he is referring to circumcision, and not the whole Law?

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  • Knight
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    Originally posted by Lighthouse
    It is not a sin when one is not under the law. Can a Christian transgress the law, Knight?
    If by "the law" you mean the law of circumcision then the answer is "no".

    But that doesn't mean you cannot sin. You fail to understand the broad meaning of the word sin. You should use the Apostle Paul as an example and use the word sin the way he did.

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  • godrulz
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    Originally posted by Lighthouse
    It is not a sin when one is not under the law. Can a Christian transgress the law, Knight?
    The first murder in the Bible was committed before the Law was given. It was not a righteous act, but a sinful one in light of God's holiness and the creation mandate of the sanctity of light.

    You are misunderstanding the unchanging moral law of God (vs ceremonial law), how Jesus fulfilled it, and its relationship to believers. Sin is lawlessness. If a believer commits adultery, it is sin. Euphemizing it away or finding a 'not under the law' misunderstanding for a loop hole flies in the face of the weight of all of Scripture (OT and NT).

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  • Lighthouse
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    It is not a sin when one is not under the law. Can a Christian transgress the law, Knight?

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  • Knight
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    Originally posted by Sozo
    Please read it, by all means, because Knight is greatly deceived if he thinks that there is any refutation of the OP. There is none.
    The following is four verses that utterly destroy the idea that Christians cannot sin.

    1Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live. 7 However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse. 9 But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak. 10 For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols? 11 And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12 But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.

    Ephesians 4:25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,” for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”: do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil.

    Romans 4:7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.”

    1Corinthians 6:17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.

    You are capable of sin, but thankfully your sin is covered. That is the gospel.

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  • Sozo
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    Originally posted by Knight
    BUMP: This thread is a classic. Total refutation of the silly assertion "Christians CANNOT sin".

    Pages 1 thru 15 or so are awesome.
    Please read it, by all means, because Knight is greatly deceived if he thinks that there is any refutation of the OP. There is none.

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  • Knight
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    BUMP: This thread is a classic. Total refutation of the silly assertion "Christians CANNOT sin".

    Pages 1 thru 15 or so are awesome.

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  • Charity
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    What is righteousness?

    The beginning and end of your Judgement.

    If ye shall judge yourself ye shall be found righteous before God, and shall not be judged

    Search your own hearts not others.

    Refuse to accuse another; for you shall be measured by the same measure ye use on others

    Show mercy to others and mercy shall be shown to you by the father

    charity

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  • Jacob
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    Originally posted by Sozo
    How do you become righteous?
    What is righteous?

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  • godrulz
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    Originally posted by Sozo
    How do you become righteous?
    By helping old ladies across the street?

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  • Sozo
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    Originally posted by Untellectual
    Can you explain what Sozo was asking and how this has nothing to do with what Sozo was asking?
    How do you become righteous?

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  • Jacob
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    Originally posted by elected4ever
    You haven't been following the conversation have you?
    Have I?

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