Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 3

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where do you think I got her disgusting quotes from?

only if you are defining "simply reactionary" as condescending and misinformed
Or lack of reading and reporting in context? :think:

[Y]es, hatred and discrimination ha[ve] caused untold harm to our society and our children.
Faced with either the bigot or the child molester? I'll take the bigot.
We are talking relative harm here. My Father and Step-Father were in the wars. They are both bigoted against asians respectively. It doesn't go as deep as you imagine. Society nor my asian friends nor my kids give it much thought.
you want a complement? well all right...good for you! you only misspelled one word in the above ignorant statement :thumb:
As predicted. I usually just correct your's as above and don't comment. Such is a petty thing. At that point, instead of petty if I were in your shoes? I'd have provided a lot or a few links to test the fact. You missed an opportunity for being trite and petty. Think about yourself and your own prejudice against the prejudiced. At least I was open for a short season and you were not. Why are you on TOL again? Just need a place to hate the rest of us? You are a bitter person. I've no idea what makes you tick, but it is clear you don't like us. It seems a strange obsession, when, provided the opportunity, you'd choose the cheap, mean-spirited, and petty. Do you honestly care about gay people? Why did you miss yet another opportunity to prove the point and set me straight, or gay, or whatever?

just like there is no proof of black people
You found the gay-gene? Give it to me. The world has been waiting for that science result.

you and aCW are the prime sources of slurs and innuendo
Not only didn't watch that hateful video which is well beyond what you will see from Christians, you then try to plaster both of us? Where is my slur? Innuendo? I don't do those either. Are you purposefully misrepresenting and slinging here? For what end?

what about the hurts and pains you cause with your behavior?
:idunno:please explain.
what about the hurt aCW does when he lies and claims that it was homosexuals that created and conducted the holocaust?

what about the hurt done when it's falsely claimed that most serial killers are gay?
what about the hurt done when it's falsely claimed that same gendered parents are murders and child abusers?
Those aren't mine. I try and only use what is a fact and I can support.

ACW believes he can support all of his material. We disagree on that point, likely. AND I have chased a few wrong leads and thinking regarding gays but much more of them have been true and accurate. I haven't read all of ACW's.

I understand this. there are many posters here I would never allow into my home because I have children
It is the internet. I'd hope you'd be careful with every single one of us, and anyone from any other internet site. The teachers on here, the state has screened for us. We could do a bit of work if we were ever pressed for the need, but that's unlikely.

I've never once been. I want to know why not. :cry: I'm good looking, mother told me so.
Are you female? I'd guess from this you are male but I had thought before this you were a girl. Sorry if 'her' ever offended.

so you are now a telepath?
:nono: A few of them were coupled.

do you really think homosexuals were responsible for the holocaust? Really?
I haven't even read this to know what you are talking about really. I haven't read all of these massive threads. Even if I had, I'd likely have skipped over ties that are hard to make. I believe we can draw evidence but history is harder to make ties to unless such is very clear, like a case study. Because I don't have access to all the collected data, I pass. I'm mostly interested in what can be substantiated readily.

here is an idea, pack up your arrogance, your conceit, your smug and self righteous attitude and go and actually have a conversation with the people you are condemning. (and by conversation I mean listen and not preach) You might actually learn something
You mean like you just did with me? I just told you they are relatives and friends. I cannot change the definition of sin. I'm as against my other relatives' sinning as well. One alcoholic. One is a divorcee, etc.

how are lies, rejection and discrimination helpful to anyone?
This isn't about that, really. My involvement is to simply say 1) don't 'okay' it and 2) Don't protect what is wrong. The last I talked to one of my relatives, I told her that we basically had the same sentiments as her mother and to listen to her mother. Her mother was sharing scripture and talking about why it was sin. She still sees her mother and spends time with her. Basically, in my home it is "We care about you but this is sin and we want you to know that."
I know many who were the victims of sexual abuse...none of them are homosexual however.
Sexual abuse is a big deal and affects a child (most often girls) for a very long time and makes intimacy a difficult issues. All sexual abused victims will deal with this needing special care. There are misbehaviors associated with it that though may look 'natural' aren't good. A promiscuous victim is not dealing well with his/her abuse (not just homosexual, all of them). We need not and should not excuse the behavior but let them know it is because of the abuse that negative behavior would be of consequence. We should more appropriately address such rather than condoning.

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do you really think homosexuals were responsible for the holocaust? Really?

I haven't even read this to know what you are talking about really. I haven't read all of these massive threads.

Take a few minutes to review the table of contents from part 1. The case was made that Hitler was a homosexual and surrounded himself with mass murdering homosexuals.


Sexual abuse is a big deal and affects a child (most often girls)...

Pedophilia more common amongst homosexuals
http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/
 

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Or lack of reading and reporting in context? :think:
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Faced with either the bigot or the child molester? I'll take the bigot.
We are talking relative harm here. My Father and Step-Father were in the wars. They are both bigoted against asians respectively. It doesn't go as deep as you imagine. Society nor my asian friends nor my kids give it much thought.
and in a generation kids will wonder how anyone could be a homophobe

As predicted. I usually just correct your's as above and don't comment. Such is a petty thing.
you are an expert at being petty


At that point, instead of petty if I were in your shoes? I'd have provided a lot or a few links to test the fact. You missed an opportunity for being trite and petty. Think about yourself and your own prejudice against the prejudiced. At least I was open for a short season and you were not.
you have a long history of either ignoring or denying facts presented when they conflict with what you want to be true.

That aside exactly what facts were you wanting here?


Why are you on TOL again? Just need a place to hate the rest of us? You are a bitter person. I've no idea what makes you tick, but it is clear you don't like us. It seems a strange obsession, when, provided the opportunity, you'd choose the cheap, mean-spirited, and petty. Do you honestly care about gay people? Why did you miss yet another opportunity to prove the point and set me straight, or gay, or whatever?
you don't know what makes me tick but you are happy to label me as bitter and petty. thanks for playing :wave2:


You found the gay-gene? Give it to me. The world has been waiting for that science result.
where did you come with anything about a gay gene here?

you just defended Harvey's claim that ""There is no proof that there’s ever anything like a gay, lesbian or bisexual or transgendered child, or teen or human.”

Not only didn't watch that hateful video which is well beyond what you will see from Christians, you then try to plaster both of us? Where is my slur? Innuendo? I don't do those either. Are you purposefully misrepresenting and slinging here? For what end?
do you read your own posts?


:idunno:please explain.

Those aren't mine. I try and only use what is a fact and I can support.

to quote you: "Here is why I believe and side with ACW: It isn't that he is always kind or nice about the topic, it is because a lot of what he says, whether you believe it or not, is true." well here are some of the "true" things aCW goes on about.

can you explain why blatantly lying about a minority is not harmful?




ACW believes he can support all of his material. We disagree on that point, likely. AND I have chased a few wrong leads and thinking regarding gays but much more of them have been true and accurate. I haven't read all of ACW's.
well I just cited three fine examples of aCW's truth.

It is the internet. I'd hope you'd be careful with every single one of us, and anyone from any other internet site. The teachers on here, the state has screened for us. We could do a bit of work if we were ever pressed for the need, but that's unlikely.


Are you female? I'd guess from this you are male but I had thought before this you were a girl. Sorry if 'her' ever offended.


:nono: A few of them were coupled.

I haven't even read this to know what you are talking about really. I haven't read all of these massive threads. Even if I had, I'd likely have skipped over ties that are hard to make. I believe we can draw evidence but history is harder to make ties to unless such is very clear, like a case study. Because I don't have access to all the collected data, I pass. I'm mostly interested in what can be substantiated readily.
maybe you should read what aCW is actually posting before making blanket claims of support


You mean like you just did with me? I just told you they are relatives and friends. I cannot change the definition of sin. I'm as against my other relatives' sinning as well. One alcoholic. One is a divorcee, etc.
do you ever listen to them?


This isn't about that, really. My involvement is to simply say 1) don't 'okay' it and 2) Don't protect what is wrong.
It's exactly what it is about lies, rejection and discrimination are never OK things


The last I talked to one of my relatives, I told her that we basically had the same sentiments as her mother and to listen to her mother. Her mother was sharing scripture and talking about why it was sin. She still sees her mother and spends time with her. Basically, in my home it is "We care about you but this is sin and we want you to know that."
I bet they love seeing you

Sexual abuse is a big deal and affects a child (most often girls) for a very long time and makes intimacy a difficult issues. All sexual abused victims will deal with this needing special care. There are misbehaviors associated with it that though may look 'natural' aren't good. A promiscuous victim is not dealing well with his/her abuse (not just homosexual, all of them). We need not and should not excuse the behavior but let them know it is because of the abuse that negative behavior would be of consequence. We should more appropriately address such rather than condoning.

-Lon
yes child sexual abuse is a big deal but there is no known coloration between childhood abuse and homosexuality
 

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: maybe you should read what aCW is actually posting before making blanket claims of support

Agreed. Regarding Hitler:

Adolf Hitler/The Pink Swastika, pages 60,post #891, table of contents, page 61, post #903

"The Pink Swastika as Holocaust Revisionist History" (Dr. Judith Reisman), page 62, post #919

Hitler/Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger connection, page 67, post #1004

"The truth about homosexuality and the Nazi Party" (Bryan Fischer article), page 68, post #1014, Historians qualifications, page 114, post #1706, post #1708 (Warren Throckmorton's pro-homosexual advocacy).

"Sexual Deviance Fueled Nazism": Response to [homosexualist] Christine Mueller,Reed College Oregon By: Kevin Abrams [co-author of "The Pink Swastika"] page 68, post #1015

"Throckmorton, history, and gays in the military" (Bryan Fischer article), page 68, post #1016

"From Boy Scouts to Brown Shirts"/"Hitler's clique of pederasts: The Pink Swastika, page 94, post #1398

The Strange, Strange Story of the Gay Fascists (article by homosexual columnist Johann Hari) page 105, post #1564

Adolf Hitler: Boy prostitute, confirmed "nancy boy", page 134, post #1996.

HOMO-FASCISM AFTER HITLER : The Fascist Roots of the American “Gay” Movement, page 134, post #1999
 

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do you really think homosexuals were responsible for the holocaust? Really?



Take a few minutes to review the table of contents from part 1. The case was made that Hitler was a homosexual and surrounded himself with mass murdering homosexuals.




Pedophilia more common amongst homosexuals
http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/

False, as usual. As study after study has shown homosexuals are significantly less likely to sexually abuse children
Freund, Kurt; Watson, Robin J.; Rienzo, Douglas. “Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and the erotic age preference.” Journal of Sex Research
Jenny, Carole; Roesler, Thomas A.; Poyer, Kimberly L. “Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals?” Pediatrics
Groth, A. Nicholas; Birnbaum, H Jean. “Adult sexual orientation and attraction to underage persons.” Archives of Sexual Behavior
Groth, A. Nicholas; Hobson, William F.; Gary, Thomas S. “The child molester: clinical observations.” Social Work and Child Sexual Abuse.
Freund, Kurt; Watson, Robin J.; Rienzo, Douglas. “Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and the erotic age preference.” Journal of Sex Research
Holmes, W.C. and Slap, G.B. Sexual abuse of boys: Definition, prevalence, correlates, sequelae and management. Journal of the American Medical Association
 

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False, as usual. As [pro homosexual] study after study has shown homosexuals are significantly less likely to sexually abuse children

Fixed that for ya.

Yep, NAMBLA, the molestation of thousands of Catholic altar boys by homosexual priests and thousands of Boy Scouts by homosexual Scout Masters is just a figment of our imagination.
 

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Here are 12 reasons why homosexual adults and children do not mix:

1. Adults proudly living a homosexual life are disastrous role models. That lesbian teacher may be a personable expert in her subject, but her immoral lifestyle may mislead children...

Can potentially be said about anyone.

2. Children living a home headed by homosexual adults are exposed to the same poor examples in triple intensity and intimacy. Same -sex- coupled parents live a huge lie, deceiving themselves and the children, because they were not “born this way,” this is not “marriage,” and they are in all probability engaging in physically risky behavior...

Opinion.

3. Transvestite men or “drag king” women are deeply disturbing to children. Gender confusion is deep delusion, denying the obvious while constructing a complicated pretense...

So you believe in criminalizing what you call delusion? How does one criminalize delusion?

4. Students are sometimes blank slates for the indoctrination plans of homosexual political activists, teachers and others. These innocent minds are taught to affirm sexual perversion, but often in concert with the entire platform of destructive, leftist causes. GLSEN...

I think the same about Sunday school. Most Christians have never even studied another religion closely. How can you make the right choice by only comparing one product?

5. Now to the dynamite question: yes, some homosexually-identified adults do have sex with underage teens and even children. What percentage of openly “LGBT” adults do this is anyone’s guess...

Now to the dynamite question: yes, some heterosexual-identified adults do have sex with underage teens and even children. What percentage of openly “straight” adults do this is anyone’s guess.


6. Exposure of kids to pornographic material is fine with these folks. It’s “censorship” if we don’t allow children to explore textual and visual pornography that steals their innocence and seduces some into an early sexual debut...

gross generalization

7. Children quickly learn from homosexual adults that Christians are the “enemy.” Much effort is devoted to smearing and demonizing believers, who form the main obstacle to unrestricted sexual license...

Then how do you explain the rise in self proclaimed gay Christians?

8. Despite health risks that are well documented by the Centers for Disease Control and other agencies, children seldom hear the whole story in public schools or anywhere else and in fact, are often deliberately misled...

false.

9. Parental rights are mocked and dismissed by the adult leaders of the homosexual lobby. The founder of GLSEN, Kevin Jennings, famously said, regarding conservative objections to the promotion of homosexuality to kids,...

How so?

10. The real experiences of ex-homosexuals are deliberately withheld from students. Talk about the subject of “LGBT” issues as much as possible with teens, but when this angle comes up, there’s immediate scoffing and censorship. Children are quickly told to never take seriously the possibility of change, and to back this up, laws have been passed in California and New Jersey to prevent counselors from helping teens change homosexual feelings...

Would you support counselors helping teens stop their Christian feelings?

11. By demonizing conservative views, “gay” activists mount a wall preventing many kids from hearing the whole story. Homosexuals use the cyberspace environment to try to destroy those who tell children and their parents the truth. The Southern Poverty Law Center has named as “hate groups” many responsible, pro-family Christian groups trying to sound the alarm about child-homosexual interactions...

Are you suggesting that conservative groups don't demonize liberal views just the same?

12. By early corruption, homosexuals may put a stumbling block in the way of eternal salvation for many children, one that is often difficult to overcome...

The real stumbling block to eternal salvation is that it doesn't exist. I'd work on that one first if I were you.
 

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Look TB, I'm going to let this go until I find something that is not petty, that is reasonable, and that is responsible dialogue or debate. If you are going to be on TOL wasting time is a sin. If you are venting, I'm not the one to be doing this to. I don't even know you.

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and in a generation kids will wonder how anyone could be a homophobe

you are an expert at being petty


you have a long history of either ignoring or denying facts presented when they conflict with what you want to be true.

That aside exactly what facts were you wanting here?


you don't know what makes me tick but you are happy to label me as bitter and petty. thanks for playing :wave2:


where did you come with anything about a gay gene here?

you just defended Harvey's claim that ""There is no proof that there’s ever anything like a gay, lesbian or bisexual or transgendered child, or teen or human.”

do you read your own posts?




to quote you: "Here is why I believe and side with ACW: It isn't that he is always kind or nice about the topic, it is because a lot of what he says, whether you believe it or not, is true." well here are some of the "true" things aCW goes on about.

can you explain why blatantly lying about a minority is not harmful?
Okay, right here, and this isn't even about me, it is about ACW. He is one guy and I'm another. If you want me to read a 'blatant l[ie] you can link or point it out to me. Otherwise this isn't worth much of our time either. Why do it if not to do something meaningful? Are you and I just wasting our time?

well I just cited three fine examples of aCW's truth.
No, a citation would have links and such so that you could meaningfully 1) draw me into the conversation and 2) provide context rather than accusation.

maybe you should read what aCW is actually posting before making blanket claims of support
No. I said from reading his links, including those he just gave to me, that they have weight to them and are correct.

do you ever listen to them?
Yes.
It's exactly what it is about lies, rejection and discrimination are never OK things
I bet they love seeing you
Do you want to know or are you just looking for ammunition?
Do you know leading by example is more powerful than falling into the same bigotry (supposed or otherwise)?

yes child sexual abuse is a big deal but there is no known coloration between childhood abuse and homosexuality
It is coming. It is taking time, but it is coming. It is sad our kids have to be the experiment before we get this right or wrong.
 

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In response to Linda Harvey's article entitled "12 Ways Homosexual Adults Endanger Children",
http://barbwire.com/2014/06/04/twelve-ways-homosexual-adults-endanger-children/

a Libertarian drug addict writes:

Can potentially be said about anyone.

Opinion.

So you believe in criminalizing what you call delusion? How does one criminalize delusion?

I think the same about Sunday school. Most Christians have never even studied another religion closely. How can you make the right choice by only comparing one product?

Now to the dynamite question: yes, some heterosexual-identified adults do have sex with underage teens and even children. What percentage of openly “straight” adults do this is anyone’s guess.

gross generalization

Then how do you explain the rise in self proclaimed gay Christians?

false.

How so?

Would you support counselors helping teens stop their Christian feelings?

Are you suggesting that conservative groups don't demonize liberal views just the same?

The real stumbling block to eternal salvation is that it doesn't exist. I'd work on that one first if I were you.

Thanks for flying your rainbow colors once again shag. Not to worry, when we get things turned around in this country, we'll get you the help that you so desperately need.
 

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6 questions you quoted but did not answer here.

Seriously shag, this thread is way past the IQ level of a Libertarian, right Aaron?

Dang, both Art Brain's brilliant post denying that Hitler was a homo and my response are gone after the temporary TOL shutdown. Oh velllllllll...I'll post it later as it had some very informative information about who they employed at the Holocaust Museum.
 

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Seriously shag, this thread is way past the IQ level of a Libertarian, right Aaron?

Dang, both Art Brain's brilliant post denying that Hitler was a homo and my response are gone after the temporary TOL shutdown. Oh velllllllll...I'll post it later as it had some very informative information about who they employed at the Holocaust Museum.

But you don't deny this is correct, right?....



Now to the dynamite question: yes, some heterosexual-identified adults do have sex with underage teens and even children. What percentage of openly “straight” adults do this is anyone’s guess.

 

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But you don't deny this is correct, right?....

I can always tell the ones that don't follow the thread, you're one of them.

Here's the table of contents showing numerous articles on Hitler and his SS.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3299820&postcount=3905

Homosexual Johann Hari's article "The Strange, Strange Story of the Gay Fascists" is linked here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697.html

since it appears that you believe the word of homosexuals over others.

Now to the dynamite question: yes, some heterosexual-identified adults do have sex with underage teens and even children. What percentage of openly “straight” adults do this is anyone’s guess.

Sex with children or indoctrinating them to accept homosexuality as normal is a fact of life amongst homosexuals.

Deal with it.
 

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Sex with children or indoctrinating them to accept homosexuality as normal is a fact of life amongst homosexuals.

Deal with it.
Another blatantly false statement from aCW I see. :rolleyes:
Try inserting the word "some", but then some heterosexuals also have sex with and groom children, so you have no argument anyway, as usual.
 

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Sex with children or indoctrinating them to accept homosexuality as normal is a fact of life amongst homosexuals.

Deal with it.

Another blatantly false statement from aCW I see.
Try inserting the word "some", but then some heterosexuals also have sex with and groom children, so you have no argument anyway, as usual.

As seen by the look on this little boys face, we're dealing with a bunch of child molesting perverts here.

prideparade2.jpg
 

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Sex with children or indoctrinating them to accept homosexuality as normal is a fact of life amongst homosexuals.

Deal with it.



As seen by the look on this little boys face, we're dealing with a bunch of child molesting perverts here.

prideparade2.jpg

I suppose you are just as disgusted by heterosexual nudist colonies, correct?
 

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Sex with children or indoctrinating them to accept homosexuality as normal is a fact of life amongst homosexuals.

Deal with it.

As seen by the look on this little boys face, we're dealing with a bunch of child molesting perverts here.


I suppose you are just as disgusted by heterosexual nudist colonies, correct?

Based on your answer I can only come to the conclusion that you have no issues with children being taken to 'Gay Pride Parades' where all kinds of sexual debauchery occurs.

Next up: Why the holocaust museum doesn't tell the truth about the Nazi's and their homosexuality.
 

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Yesterday before TOL ran across some technical difficulties, I responded to a post where homosexualist Art Brain stated that I hadn't provided proof that Hitler and his SS were practicing homosexuals.

I've been curious for sometime as to why the Holocaust Museum doesn't tell the truth about this subject, and now I know why.

From a letter that Scott Lively wrote back in 2003:

Why would a Jewish institution of such importance shield Nazis from exposure as sexual perverts? Why would it promote the view that homosexuals are a victim class which requires the sympathy and active protection of society, rather than the clear-eyed scrutiny and wise disapprobation of reasonable people?
The motives of the museum’s founders are suggested by the fact that Dutch homosexual activist Dr. Klaus Mueller was one of the first persons hired by the museum when it opened ten
years ago. His job? To be a liaison to the “gay and lesbian” community. The museum has regularly featured homosexual-victim exhibits since then.

http://www.defendthefamily.com/_docs/resources/1175859.pdf

Calling Klaus Mueller a "homosexual activist" is putting it mildly, as seen in the link below and the Youtube video, Mueller is behind and partakes in pro homosexual exhibitions, interviews, lectures and publications.

http://kmlink.net/gay-history/

Historian of the Holocaust Museum
 
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