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  • Ebenz hits it out of the park.

    I'd say this post is a home run.


    Originally posted by ebenz47037 View Post
    I was going to stay out of this discussion. But, people are honestly reading something in doser's, glorydaz's, and genuineoriginal's posts that just isn't there. None of them are saying, "The rape victim is totally responsible for being raped, so let's not blame the man/men who raped her." As a rape victim, even I can see that. They are saying that, in some cases, the victim needs to realize that her behavior choices can lead to rape. And, they are right. This takes absolutely no blame away from the rapist. He chose to rape her. He is guilty of that.

    I can tell you that, in my own case, I made some bad decisions the night I was raped. I decided to drink heavily (to the point of forgetting where I was). I decided to get high. I decided to be the only woman hanging out with a group of men who were drinking and getting high. I'm not saying that it's my decision that I was raped. But, I do accept that if I hadn't acted the way I had, I probably wouldn't have been raped. My actions do nothing to take away the guilt of the guys who raped me. My realization of this came several years after I was raped. I changed the way I behaved. I no longer drink or do drugs. And, the only time I hang around a group of men is if I'm in a situation where there are the same number of women with them. I'm more vigilant when I'm in a mixed gender situation. In other words, I learned to become responsible for my own actions. Guess what. I've never been raped since.

    Like doser, glorydaz, and genuineoriginal, I believe that our society is responsible for producing rapists and rape victims. We've raised our young men to believe that if it feels good they should do whatever they want. In our rush to show that women are equal and need no protection from anyone, we've raised our daughters to believe that no matter what they do, all they have to do is say no and no harm will come to them. We're taking away from women by saying that she holds no responsibility for her own behavior choices. We're taking away from women by saying that they're not capable of saying no if they are drunk or high. We take away from society, in general, because we mollycoddle our youth, excusing their bad behavior choices by saying, "All kids go through this. We may as well face it." As it stands today, the death penalty has no bite to it because we allow inmates to appeal for twenty years or more before they are executed for their crimes. And, we sanitize that by executing them in a clinical setting. And, now, we are making the cops the bad guys for doing their jobs. I hate to think of what this society will be like for my grandchildren, should I ever have any.

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    she's a keeper!

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    • #3
      And that folks is a grand slam!
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      • #4
        I also nominated this grand slam for post of the year.
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        • #5
          I might not agree in some parts, it is still a good post.
          -Q
          "The Man. The Myth. The Legend!"

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          • #6
            Sorry to hear this E.
            Thank you for the testimony. I can only tell you that people are moved by stories like this, you can use your testimony to encourage other girls.

            Think of David's response to Nathan's story.

            You have my loyalties in Christ

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            • #7
              Excellent post
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Quetzal View Post
                I might not agree in some parts, it is still a good post.
                The problem is that this is not what they originally said. They originally flat our blamed rape on the victim, and then tried to run away from these statements over several threads by claiming that this wasn't what they meant. Even though they are STILL basically blaming the victims.

                The real question to my mind is WHY?

                Why do these people want so badly to lay some of the blame on the victims?

                I sure wish someone could explain this to me!

                Do they also think that if I walk through a rough part of town, and I get mugged, it's my fault?

                Do they also think that if I am tricked by some scam artist into giving them money and they steal it, it's my fault?

                I suspect that they do, and I can't understand why they do? Why do they want to blame the victims of crimes? Is it just that they want everyone to be at fault, somehow? Are they just so enamored with the fun of laying blame on others that they can't help themselves?

                Why, why, why??? I don't get it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PureX View Post
                  The problem is that this is not what they originally said. They originally flat our blamed rape on the victim, and then tried to run away from these statements over several threads by claiming that this wasn't what they meant. Even though they are STILL basically blaming the victims.

                  The real question to my mind is WHY?

                  Why do these people want so badly to lay some of the blame on the victims?

                  I sure wish someone could explain this to me!

                  Do they also think that if I walk through a rough part of town, and I get mugged, it's my fault?

                  Do they also think that if I am tricked by some scam artist into giving them money and they steal it, it's my fault?

                  I suspect that they do, and I can't understand why they do? Why do they want to blame the victims of crimes? Is it just that they want everyone to be at fault, somehow? Are they just so enamored with the fun of laying blame on others that they can't help themselves?

                  Why, why, why??? I don't get it.
                  It is a very boot strap community. From what I have gathered, it seems the focus is on personal sustainability and anyone who falls short of that shows weakness.
                  -Q
                  "The Man. The Myth. The Legend!"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PureX View Post
                    The problem is that this is not what they originally said. They originally flat our blamed rape on the victim, and then tried to run away from these statements over several threads by claiming that this wasn't what they meant. Even though they are STILL basically blaming the victims.

                    The real question to my mind is WHY?

                    Why do these people want so badly to lay some of the blame on the victims?

                    I sure wish someone could explain this to me!

                    Do they also think that if I walk through a rough part of town, and I get mugged, it's my fault?

                    Do they also think that if I am tricked by some scam artist into giving them money and they steal it, it's my fault?

                    I suspect that they do, and I can't understand why they do? Why do they want to blame the victims of crimes? Is it just that they want everyone to be at fault, somehow? Are they just so enamored with the fun of laying blame on others that they can't help themselves?

                    Why, why, why??? I don't get it.
                    Good post purex

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PureX View Post
                      They originally flat our blamed rape on the victim...
                      nope

                      didn't happen


                      but i'll never convince you of that


                      see "On Constructed Realities" *





                      *coming soon to a TOL forum near you!

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                      • #12
                        purex is a victim

                        we can't hold him responsible
                        a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
                          purex is a victim

                          we can't hold him responsible
                          you're right, and i'll flesh out why when i get to On Constructed Realities

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PureX View Post
                            The problem is that this is not what they originally said. They originally flat our blamed rape on the victim, and then tried to run away from these statements over several threads by claiming that this wasn't what they meant. Even though they are STILL basically blaming the victims.

                            The real question to my mind is WHY?

                            Why do these people want so badly to lay some of the blame on the victims?

                            I sure wish someone could explain this to me!

                            Do they also think that if I walk through a rough part of town, and I get mugged, it's my fault?

                            Do they also think that if I am tricked by some scam artist into giving them money and they steal it, it's my fault?

                            I suspect that they do, and I can't understand why they do? Why do they want to blame the victims of crimes? Is it just that they want everyone to be at fault, somehow? Are they just so enamored with the fun of laying blame on others that they can't help themselves?

                            Why, why, why??? I don't get it.
                            It's common sense. People must accept responsibility for their own bad behavior. If they don't, their conscience will become more and more seared until they can do more and more bad things. It's absolutely necessary in order to slow a society's plunge into total darkness. We're going there and people are unable to recognize wrong behavior when they see it. They make excuses for it and feel sorry for those who pay any price for their own wrong choices.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                              nope

                              didn't happen


                              but i'll never convince you of that


                              see "On Constructed Realities" *





                              *coming soon to a TOL forum near you!
                              They see what they want to see, Res. You made it clear enough.

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