The Big Bang and YEC

patman

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Lately, I have been in deep thought about the problems the non-believing community faces when it comes to believing in God.

The world believes, based on certain data, that our existence is possible apart from God. They point to the Big Bang Theory and Darwin's Theory of Evolution.

As a Christian, it only seems right to withstand these theories as much as possible. Looking at them both, they seem to contradict everything we believe about God and the Bible.

Atheist recognize this. After seeing the movie, "Expelled, No Intelligence allowed," I realized many atheist were once believers who could not rationalize God in light of the modern evidence for these two theories, so they gave up their faith.

For years, the Christian's approach for atheists is to offer alternative theories that are so new and edgy that few atheist actually ever are compelled to jump back on board.

Three issues always present a stumbling block when it comes to science. They are, according to the Bible: 1) Creation happened in 6 days. 2) The earth is thousands, not millions, of years old. 3) Noah saved the worlds animals from a Global Flood using an ark.

It is simple math to the Atheists. Using our current technology, archeological and geographical studies, the numbers don't fit. When it comes to the ark, the idea of millions of animals fitting on one boat is crazy talk to them.

We are not winning back our atheist friends with our current methods. It is time for new wine skins. So I have a proposal to Christians and Atheists alike.

That proposal is to stop looking at God as anti-evolution and anti-Big Bang. Instead, see him as capable of making it happen, but at a faster rate than supposed by science.

When you do that, you remove a major road block for doubt. Now, the evidence for evolution no longer contradicts God. Now the flood is possible because life could evolve after the flood.

Is this wrong for a Christian? I think not.

The Bible is not a science book. We might gain insight from it, but the goal of the Bible is to save souls, not teach chemistry and physics. It has little to say about Evolution... for that matter it doesn't say anything about it.

When we read the creation story, we make assumptions. We really don't know how God did it. The general contradiction is the "6 day creation" compared to the "million year" theory of evolution... that is unless you consider that God can do anything he wants.

Evolution, 2.0

If God wanted to create one creature from another, he could do that at any speed he saw fit. Why couldn't he have just accelerated the process? He could. With good reason ,too. Does Scripture say how God created? No, we just know God did it.

We also know that God isn't above using parts of one living creature and making another out of it. Eve came from Adam's rib.

Who is to say God didn't make a bigger fish from a smaller fish's rib? And by "fish ribs" I mean "DNA." I think that is what God did. He took DNA from one species, changed it, and made another from it.. and he did it in less than a day.

Scripture tells us that God created life in a particular order. Vegetation, fish and birds, land animals, and finally man. This order, for the most part, mimics the order put forth by the evolutionary tree.

The primary difference is time. Instead of taking millions of years, it happened fast. Oh, and God was directing changes, not random chance and mutations.

The Big Bang - 2.0

What about the universe? He made that in a day, after he made the earth. How did he do it? Scripture says little about how and why it got there, other than: 1) he stretched it out(Isaiah 45:12), 2) it happened in 1 day, 3) it marks the seasons, 4) He did it in this order: Lights in the sky, sun, moon, stars.

Is the Bible describing God creating the universe with a Big Bang? Could God make it happen in a day?

I think so. Some millions of miles away from Earth, I think God initiated the Big Bang Explosion - something science can't explain.

When he did this, he made it happen fast.

For a moment, the universe and all its elements were on hyper-drive. Light was produced thousands of times as fast, objects moved and formed at lightning fast speeds.

From earth it would look like the universe started from this giant light, and spread out across the sky. Our solar system would be visible first (Sun and Moon). Then the stars that are farther away would be visible.

This solves the star-light problem... because the universe was in fast forward, everything moved faster. Perhaps God supernaturally accelerated the process, or maybe physics was so different during the Big Bang that it "naturally" happened this fast.

Time means many things. Mostly, it is just a measurement. We can't travel through it, it isn't like a book where everything is written in advanced. But when it comes to physics, "time" is a bit of a tricky thing. The time of an object is defined by the movement of its elements. Like gears turning faster in a clock, it works faster but we all know that time isn't moving faster.. only the appearance.

From my limited understanding of Relativity, when an object moves at the speed of light, its "time" is altered. To the object, time seems to stay at a stand still. However, to the rest of us it is still progressing forward in time. If I am right, the universe would be spreading at many times the speed of light. If physical time is relative, to an outside observer the universe would zoom into existence, but to the star itself it was moving at its normal speed while everything outside seemed to stand still.

(For those who know me, this in no way contradicts open theism.)

It is also interesting that God created the seasons when he created the universe. As we know, the earth orbits around the sun, showing us different parts of space through the year. In other words, no solar system, no seasons.

What about Noah's Ark?

If God created one creature from the other, it would seem wise to allow life the ability to move forward on its own. We see this happen with adaptation, but I think God can do better than adaptation. I think he programed DNA to change itself with pre-programed commands to change as needed.

There are millions of lines of data in the DNA that puzzles scientists. What is it there for? It doesn't seem to do anything. I think that is where God put the instructions to change. These instructions tell the cell how to safely rebuild DNA differently, so the next generation can survive.

So change isn't random, it is deliberate. Something only an intelligent being could do.

That means Evolution can still happen, even after creation. I know of no where in scripture that contradicts this idea.

Along with this pre-programed ability to change, due to breeding practices of animals, entirely "new" species could be produced between two evolutionary altered animals. God said "be fruitful and multiply." Maybe he meant that in a much deeper way than we realized.

When Noah was commanded to bring two of each kind of animal, we look over a key word. That word is "kind." If evolution is possible, Noah wouldn't need every possible variation of the species... only the primary ancestor... that is, their primary kind.(Genesis 7)

Instead of millions of animals on the ark, there were hundreds. When the flood happened, it wiped out everything else. After the flood the environment would be extremely different, inspiring life to evolve more quickly than it does today. This happens according to God's design, and soon there were millions of species on earth, again.

There would be some things to take note of. Life wouldn't evolve the exact same way the second time. So it would be very possible to see some very unusual animals prior to the flood.

The flood would bury these weird animals deep under the earth as it moved the dirt under its waters. Perhaps as time goes on, we'll see these species reappear.

Of course, the flood would alter the earth geographically, making it impossible to date earth accurately using geology.

Conclusion

I respect the authority of Scripture with my whole heart. What I have done is attempt to make modern theories fit scripture... not the other way around.

I do not think man has the right to change God's word. So what I have done here does not contradict scripture in the least.

I believe the evidence for evolution, the Big bang, and scripture, when considered together, paint a very tight picture of how God created all that we see.

If you remove God from this picture, the unknowns mount. How did life start on its own? How can mutations create such complex life and echo systems? How did the Big Bang happen? Scientist who ignore God are struggling to answer these questions.

Atheist have no excuse now. Their theories don't contradict God. In fact, it is the lack of God that contradicts their theories!

As it turns out, now they have no scientific reason to doubt God. Atheists who gave up their faith because of these theories did so based on an assumption that these theories can't possibly coexist with scripture.

I hope any atheist who reads this will reconsider why they ever doubted God. Is it really so black and white that God didn't create us?
 

Stripe

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Your language reads like compromise. I do not believe there is any place for compromise.
 

patman

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It may be compromise. But I can not see why it is wrong to do it. In everything I have said, I did not sacrifice one word in scripture. I only speculated on how both can be true by the mighty power of God.

If atheist truly want to believe in evolution, let them. But even in that faith there is no way to rule out God.
 

Stripe

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There are people who do this anyway. It seems like you're only presenting a means by which they can express faith without your opinions on the origin of the world being disregarded.
 

patman

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I believe, for now, that this is what happened. I am not trying to present a way to just have faith. I want them to have faith in YEC, as stated by scripture. As far as I can tell, scripture doesn't contradict evolution... it only contradicts how long it took, oh, and Who did it.

When you do that, these theories can actually line up with scripture, my friend. If it is a compromise, I see it as a useful one and accurate one, especially if it helps an atheist realize God is still there.
 
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