ECT Preterism's Kidney Stones

Danoh

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You weren't there.

So, you don't know better.

"for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities." - Josephus

"In the sky appeared a vision of armies in conflict, of glittering armour." - Tacitus

What is Preterism - a teaching full of holes.

As we see in this thread, the Darby followers cannot explain Luke 19:43-44 because it's a Death Knell to their Dispensationalism.

(Luke 19:43-44) The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

Notice how no Darby follower will address this passage.

Preterism's actual "bible" the writings of...

JOSEPHUS War of the Jews:
Book 7 - Chapter 1

NOW as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury, (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done,) Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as were of the greatest eminency; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison, as were the towers also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valor had subdued; but for all the rest of the wall, it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited. This was the end which Jerusalem came to by the madness of those that were for innovations; a city otherwise of great magnificence, and of mighty fame among all mankind.

Are the towers there today?

If not please tell us when the three towers were destroyed ?


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He won't care. Josephus and spurious noncanonical "epistles" are on par with Scripture if and whenever they can be quote-mined to support preterism. If they can't, they are to be disregarded.

The basic assumption of preterism cannot ever be honestly examined. That's why rational discussion is impossible.

And so it goes with Tet's heavily invested in spirit of antichrist (same spirit or heart - an eagerness to make the truth of a thing a lie).

Fact is, external sources are NOT about "the things of God" only the Scripture is.

Fact is, external sources can only validate or disprove...external sources.

So declared God to Israel once more, through Isaiah, per Isaiah 8:20.

So said God to 1st Century Believers through Peter and Paul, per 2 Peter 3.
 

Wick Stick

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When Jesus said "not one stone on another" it was about the temple.

If the Romans left behind some towers that weren't part of the temple, how does that matter to the prophecy?

I think Jesus' prophecy of the temple succeeded. If it didn't, we ALL have major problems, not just preterists.

Jarrod
 

Danoh

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He also said it about the walls surrounding the city.

Luke 19:

41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

The answer to that is a very simple one; is based on the Scripture ALONE and has NO NEED to run off in search of some supposed answer in sources EXTERNAL TO Scripture; INCLUDING one's OWN fool ideas.

Isaiah 8:

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

The Preterist is ever in the dark of his over reliance on sources external to Scripture on this.
 

Wick Stick

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I hadn't realized that. Interesting.

Until not that long ago, it was thought that the entire Tower of David dated to Herod's day if not earlier. Now they're saying that a little of the foundation and wall was built that far back. I will anticipate them changing that in a few years, when new research comes to light.

Basically, I'll stick with what Jesus said.

Jarrod
 

Wick Stick

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Man, when you start looking at history, it sure is a rabbit hole. Last one:

The Broad Wall is a fortification of the ancient city built by the OT king Hezekiah, that is still at least partly standing.

Jarrod
 

Danoh

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Exactly the point I have been making on TOL for some time now against the idea of OVER relying on sources EXTERNAL to Scripture in some fool attempt to prove Scripture is true.

Isaiah 8:

20: To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

The answer is to be willing to be wrong and get back in Scripture for ALL answers.

Hebrews 11:

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The answer is there. It is just a matter of back to the Scripture, back to the Scripture, back to the Scripture...

2 Corinthians 4:

13. We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
 

Interplanner

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When Jesus did one of his first miracles, it was the cross-over approach. He volunteered to use an outside source. If he had the authority to forgive sins, it was going to be demonstrated by doing a healing of a paralysed person. If you don't understand that, why he did that, and how it communicates in the modern world, then you have a neo-orthodox, 'upper story' idea of faith. Which is always how D'ism struck me.

"None of this was done in a corner" said Paul of the events of the Gospel and what happened to him. That's 'outside sources' right there.

When Christ proclaimed that the place would be decimated, you would then see and observe 'outside sources' that this happened. That's why Holford was so effective in England in 1805 using the archeological and historical proof of the DofJ relative to his claims.
 

Interplanner

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What is Preterism - a teaching full of holes.



Preterism's actual "bible" the writings of...

JOSEPHUS War of the Jews:
Book 7 - Chapter 1







And so it goes with Tet's heavily invested in spirit of antichrist (same spirit or heart - an eagerness to make the truth of a thing a lie).

Fact is, external sources are NOT about "the things of God" only the Scripture is.

Fact is, external sources can only validate or disprove...external sources.

So declared God to Israel once more, through Isaiah, per Isaiah 8:20.

So said God to 1st Century Believers through Peter and Paul, per 2 Peter 3.


So is the coming Peter refers to there the Gospel or the coming in judgement?
 
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