ECT How is Paul's message different?

I wonder if they had ever read Ps 41:9 before?

35:19?

69:4?

Ex. 12:46?

Num. 9:12?

Ps. 34:20?

Zech 12:10?

Zech 9:9?

Ps 118:26?

Zech 13:7?

Zech 11:12, 13?

Jer 32:6-9?

Didn't know or denied?

Interplanner said:

Hmmm, I wonder if they had read Ps 22-24, which goes through suffering and 'valley of the shadow of death' but ends with the gates of God in triumph? Hmmm?

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Hmmmm I wonder if you've ever read much of the Bible.
God does not lie... like you do.

P.S. I have no doubt that you'l bring out your magic interp wand to "fix" this passage.

Interplanner said:

Jn 5:25: the time is coming and now is, when the dead hear the voice of God and pass from death because there is no more condemnation, because atonement was known to be coming. 'the son can't do anything on his own'--it was the plan all along.

Jn 6:53: unless you eat the flesh and blood of the Son of Man. Do you actually think it was not known? So they did their crass-literal trick. then check v66. Many people left. They knew, but they left.

that's what you are looking for.

don't forget, he wanted to convert zealots especially, that is why he located in Galilee, where many of them were, and why he was known as a Galilean.

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You lied, again, Butch. The lamb was never the sin offering, John the B had no idea he would die for sins, and the John passage was not about 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV



"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV


Why are you lying? It was hid from them, demon, as they knew nothing about the impending dbr, prior to its occurence. Even after it occurred, Butch, they denied it. They could not deny it beforehand, however, Butch-you cannot deny something that you do not know.


Why are you lying on this, Butch? Tell all of TOL.

Interplanner said:

Jn 10:17. Did they not know or were they in denial?

Jn 3:14. Lifting up the Son of Man on a stick. Did they know or did they deny?


You are saying 'you can't deny something you don't know.' Fair enough. But the question about Lk 18 is how did they not know? They knew and denied. They did that as early as Jn 2, and certainly Jn 6.

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Irrelevant spam, humanism, Butch.


You lied, again, Butch. The lamb was never the sin offering, John the B had no idea he would die for sins, and the John passage was not about 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV



"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV


Why are you lying? It was hid from them, demon, as they knew nothing about the impending dbr, prior to its occurence. Even after it occurred, Butch, they denied it. They could not deny it beforehand, however, Butch-you cannot deny something that you do not know.

Peter attempted to prevent the death of the Saviour,the very death that would be the basis of his reconciliation, and was clueless as to impending resurrection, as were all of the 11, His resurrected life that would be the very basis by which they would be justified, saved:






Romans 5:10 KJV

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Why are you lying on this, Butch? Tell all of TOL.

john w said:

Irrelevant spam, humanism, Butch.


You lied, again, Butch. The lamb was never the sin offering, John the B had no idea he would die for sins, and the John passage was not about 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV



"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV


Why are you lying? It was hid from them, demon, as they knew nothing about the impending dbr, prior to its occurence. Even after it occurred, Butch, they denied it. They could not deny it beforehand, however, Butch-you cannot deny something that you do not know.

Peter attempted to prevent the death of the Saviour,the very death that would be the basis of his reconciliation, and was clueless as to impending resurrection, as were all of the 11, His resurrected life that would be the very basis by which they would be justified, saved:






Romans 5:10 KJV

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Why are you lying on this, Butch? Tell all of TOL.

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You are getting weirder and weirder:

Romans 5:10 KJV

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


What possible connection can that have to when Jn 2:21 was actual reality?

Interplanner said:

You are getting weirder and weirder:

Romans 5:10 KJV

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


What possible connection can that have to when Jn 2:21 was actual reality?

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Irrelevant misdirection, create a moving target, to your satanic assertion "one gospel," and that your on record assertion, that your Judas preached the gospel of Christ, as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, based upon the foundation of the Saviour's:

Death
Burial
Resurrection

You lied, again, Butch. The lamb was never the sin offering, John the B had no idea he would die for sins, and the John passage was not about 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV



"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV


Why are you lying? It was hid from the 12, including Judas, demon, while they were preaching the good news/gospel of the kingdom, as they knew nothing about the impending dbr, prior to its occurrence. Even after it occurred, Butch, they denied it. They could not deny it beforehand, however, Butch-you cannot deny something that you do not know.


Why are you lying on this, Butch? As requested=Tell all of TOL why you are lying on this.

turbosixx said:

My intention is to get you to think.

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TRANSLATION: You, Clete, have no idea what you talking about because you disagree with my, turbosixx, assertion.

turbosixx said:

For example, what did Peter mean by be converted? You don't have to answer me but do you have an answer for yourself

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TRANSLATION: I, turbosixx, it seems, am not doing a very good job. Can't convince you, Clete, that I, turbosixx, am right.

john w said:

Irrelevant misdirection, create a moving target, to your satanic assertion "one gospel," and that your on record assertion, that your Judas preached the gospel of Christ, as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, based upon the foundation of the Saviour's:

Death
Burial
Resurrection

You lied, again, Butch. The lamb was never the sin offering, John the B had no idea he would die for sins, and the John passage was not about 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV



"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV


Why are you lying? It was hid from the 12, including Judas, demon, while they were preaching the good news/gospel of the kingdom, as they knew nothing about the impending dbr, prior to its occurrence. Even after it occurred, Butch, they denied it. They could not deny it beforehand, however, Butch-you cannot deny something that you do not know.


Why are you lying on this, Butch? As requested=Tell all of TOL why you are lying on this.

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That's why Jn 2:21 is relevant and Rom 5 is not.

As I asked you yesterday, when was Jn 2:21 really true? Was it true when Jesus thought it? Was it only true after the Res and the Spirit came when the disciples realized it?

The problem if it was not true immediately when Jesus said it (which was very early in ministry) is that then Jesus was offering a miracle-restoration of Herod's edifice in 3 days. Do you think that's what he meant? Why?

Relevance: the gospel narrative writers were humbly showing their denial--their failure-- in the later parts, but affirming that the sacrifice of Christ was known from the beginning.

Did you answer any question about any of the OT texts that mention the coming sacrifice of Christ? How could they not know, unless Judaism had snowed it all?

Interplanner said:

That's why Jn 2:21 is relevant and Rom 5 is not.

As I asked you yesterday, when was Jn 2:21 really true? Was it true when Jesus thought it? Was it only true after the Res and the Spirit came when the disciples realized it?

The problem if it was not true immediately when Jesus said it (which was very early in ministry) is that then Jesus was offering a miracle-restoration of Herod's edifice in 3 days. Do you think that's what he meant? Why?

Relevance: the gospel narrative writers were humbly showing their denial--their failure-- in the later parts, but affirming that the sacrifice of Christ was known from the beginning.

Did you answer any question about any of the OT texts that mention the coming sacrifice of Christ? How could they not know, unless Judaism had snowed it all?

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You lied-again-they were not "in denial," habitual liar-the dbr, the foundation of the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KKV gospel of Christ, was unrevealed to them, hid from them, prior to its occurrence. They could not deny something they knew not, fraud.Peter, twice, attempted to prevent His master's death, the very basis of his reconciliation.

You lied-again.

Irrelevant misdirection, create a moving target, to your satanic assertion "one gospel," and that your on record assertion, that your Judas preached the gospel of Christ, as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, based upon the foundation of the Saviour's:

Death
Burial
Resurrection

You lied, again, Butch. The lamb was never the sin offering, John the B had no idea he would die for sins, and the John passage was not about 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV



"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV


Why are you lying? It was hid from the 12, including Judas, demon, while they were preaching the good news/gospel of the kingdom, as they knew nothing about the impending dbr, prior to its occurrence. Even after it occurred, Butch, they denied it. They could not deny it beforehand, however, Butch-you cannot deny something that you do not know.


Why are you lying on this, Butch? As requested=Tell all of TOL why you are lying on this.

Is 42

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/isaiah/42.html

john w said:

You lied-again-they were not "in denial," habitual liar-the dbr, the foundation of the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KKV gospel of Christ, was unrevealed to them, hid from them, prior to its occurrence. They could not deny something they knew not, fraud.Peter, twice, attempted to prevent His master's death, the very basis of his reconciliation.

You lied-again.

Irrelevant misdirection, create a moving target, to your satanic assertion "one gospel," and that your on record assertion, that your Judas preached the gospel of Christ, as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, based upon the foundation of the Saviour's:

Death
Burial
Resurrection

You lied, again, Butch. The lamb was never the sin offering, John the B had no idea he would die for sins, and the John passage was not about 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV



"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV


Why are you lying? It was hid from the 12, including Judas, demon, while they were preaching the good news/gospel of the kingdom, as they knew nothing about the impending dbr, prior to its occurrence. Even after it occurred, Butch, they denied it. They could not deny it beforehand, however, Butch-you cannot deny something that you do not know.


Why are you lying on this, Butch? As requested=Tell all of TOL why you are lying on this.

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When was Jn 2:21 true? Did Jesus offer to miraculous rebuilt Herod's edifice in 3 days?

Interplanner said:

When was Jn 2:21 true? Did Jesus offer to miraculous rebuilt Herod's edifice in 3 days?

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More evasion, create a moving target, side stepping...

You lied-again-they were not "in denial," habitual liar-the dbr, the foundation of the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KKV gospel of Christ, was unrevealed to them, hid from them, prior to its occurrence. They could not deny something they knew not, fraud.Peter, twice, attempted to prevent His master's death, the very basis of his reconciliation.

You lied-again.

Irrelevant misdirection, create a moving target, to your satanic assertion "one gospel," and that your on record assertion, that your Judas preached the gospel of Christ, as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, based upon the foundation of the Saviour's:

Death
Burial
Resurrection

You lied, again, Butch. The lamb was never the sin offering, John the B had no idea he would die for sins, and the John passage was not about 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV



"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV


Why are you lying? It was hid from the 12, including Judas, demon, while they were preaching the good news/gospel of the kingdom, as they knew nothing about the impending dbr, prior to its occurrence. Even after it occurred, Butch, they denied it. They could not deny it beforehand, however, Butch-you cannot deny something that you do not know.


Why are you lying on this, Butch? As requested=Tell all of TOL why you are lying on this.

Jn 2:21 says he meant his body. When did he mean that?

Welcome to Scripture. It's about 100% what you don't know is out there.

Let's shift gears and look at the same thing from a very different angle.

What is 1st and 2nd in Heb 10:9? Jesus's sacrifice ('I have come to do your will') was what replaced the 1st. So, what was the 1st and 2nd there?

Interplanner said:

Jn 2:21 says he meant his body. When did he mean that?

Welcome to Scripture. It's about 100% what you don't know is out there.

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More evasion, create a moving target, side stepping...

You lied-again-they were not "in denial," habitual liar-the dbr, the foundation of the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KKV gospel of Christ, was unrevealed to them, hid from them, prior to its occurrence. They could not deny something they knew not, fraud.Peter, twice, attempted to prevent His master's death, the very basis of his reconciliation.

You lied-again.

Irrelevant misdirection, create a moving target, to your satanic assertion "one gospel," and that your on record assertion, that your Judas preached the gospel of Christ, as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, based upon the foundation of the Saviour's:

Death
Burial
Resurrection

You lied, again, Butch. The lamb was never the sin offering, John the B had no idea he would die for sins, and the John passage was not about 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV



"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV


Why are you lying? It was hid from the 12, including Judas, demon, while they were preaching the good news/gospel of the kingdom, as they knew nothing about the impending dbr, prior to its occurrence. Even after it occurred, Butch, they denied it. They could not deny it beforehand, however, Butch-you cannot deny something that you do not know.


Why are you lying on this, Butch? As requested=Tell all of TOL why you are lying on this.

Interplanner said:

Let's shift gears and look at the same thing from a very different angle.

What is 1st and 2nd in Heb 10:9? Jesus's sacrifice ('I have come to do your will') was what replaced the 1st. So, what was the 1st and 2nd there?

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No, we are staying on topic-why are you lying on this made up "denial" scam?:


"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV



"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV

Why are you lying? It was hid from the 12, including Judas, demon, while they were preaching the good news/gospel of the kingdom, as they knew nothing about the impending dbr, prior to its occurrence. Even after it occurred, Butch, they denied it. They could not deny it beforehand, however, Butch-you cannot deny something that you do not know.


Why are you lying on this, Butch? As requested=Tell all of TOL why you are lying on this.

Great Marxist tactics John. You'd have a great future with them.

There is nothing made-up about the denial as long as you understand JohnB was talking about his death, and Jn 2:21 as well (kind of hard to resurrect yourself when you're not dead! lol).

Your miserable corner and crap you are sitting in is your problem. You have so much to learn.

john w said:

Why are you lying on this, Butch?

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IP adores fiction over reality.

Tambora said:

IP adores fiction over reality.

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Not in theology: Christ definitely is the temple of the NHNE.

But here's the deal: who is 'man' in Heb 9:27? He means mankind as individuals. Is there therefore any question that the new covenant is for all, since we already know it is present and accomplished? 9:15--now that he has died?

Interplanner said:

Not in theology

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:rotfl:
Your theology on Israel is not only wrong, it stinks.