popsthebuilder
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Luke: 10. 41. And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: 42. But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
The Trinity
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God's Truth
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That is not truth.
The Spirit is that of God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son.
Don't start that again.
Don't act like you are correcting me and stop treating me as if I am ridiculous.
I told you God calls Himself a Father and a He.
I told you He came as a Man.
I told you Jesus is our example and Jesus calls God 'Father'.
Is that what you are doing when I tell you my beliefs?
Be careful how you judge, it is probably what you are guilty of doing.
God's Spirit is in the saved, not in the unsaved.
That is what the Written Word of God says.
God's Spirit is Jesus Christ. Jesus is a Son of God. Evidently you want to change what the written Word of God says. You can no more convince me that God is a Mother too, anymore than you can convince me that Jesus wasn't really a male but rather neither male or female.
Don't forget that Jesus was circumcised.
If the truth offends you then the truth offends you. I go by what God says and unless you can show He didn't mean 'He' but rather meant 'It', then you are speaking error.
You are the one who gave God female characteristics.
Again, God is Spirit and Jesus is the Spirit and Jesus came as a Man.
It is too bad that you cannot properly exegete the passages.
God's Truth
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Why don't you try instead of just giving opinions about me?
Notice this is the second time now?
Why not explain it, or maybe find a site with a commentator that you agree with and post it here?
If it is the second time, it must be important. Your way of interpretation is improper. That is why I have addressed it.
God's Truth
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You haven't addressed the scriptures I posted.
I don't care about people's opinions.
Prove it that those scriptures are not saying the Spirit is Jesus.
Rosenritter
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Oh then please help us oh Wise Glorydaz the Disrespectful One. Who are these "sons of God" that "shouted for joy" when the foundations of the earth were laid, if they be not the angels?
Rosenritter
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Glory, the role of the priesthood before was to be the mediators between God and men. "Priesthood... not as mediator" seems like you're missing the point of the priesthood. Look to where the high priest came before God once a year in Atonement. It's the same model.
Rosenritter
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Marhig, when I use two to three sentences only, and ask you one direct question, how come you won't provide a direct answer to that one question? If God had come with thunder and lightning and destroying cities in his wake to prove his status and divinity, would they have crucified him?
Rosenritter
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THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN.
By assigning Him who calls himself "I am he" the name and gender of "she" you are taking his name very lightly. His name is his to decide, not yours. That's one of the most basic and early commandments in scripture.
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Rosenritter
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How do you figure that Abraham lied to his son? God did provide the lamb.
Genesis 22:8-13 KJV
(8) And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
(9) And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
(10) And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
(11) And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
(12) And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
(13) And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
Rosenritter
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Or read in a charitable sense, she acknowledges that she does not claim perfect understanding, which would be appropriate humility, in addition to being in line with official Trinity teaching that says that God is not completely knowable.
I am not interested in pitting the two of you against each other. I would be far happier if you and Glory would be able to talk peaceably with each other and others that they disagree with. If that were to ever happen I would count this thread topic as a sounding success regardless of whether anyone was convinced differently on Trinity doctrine than when they entered.
glorydaz
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Abraham wasn't lying....he had faith in God. He wasn't sure how God would do it, but he had faith that he and his son would return. God will provide - Jehovahjireh
Gen. 22:5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ***; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.
Rosenritter
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I'll point out that your logic for supporting "she" is lacking here. I would hope that I would also be described as long-suffering and merciful, but it would still be disrespectful to describe me as "she" after I have established myself as male.
Regardless, even if for no other reason, it should be sufficient that the body of Christian saints recognizes calling God "she" to be offensive and/or blasphemous. Even if for some reason you alone were right in this regard, you would need no other reason. See 1 Corinthians 8, especially the latter half of the chapter for application.
As a rule, the people that refer to God as "she" are not friends of the living God of the Bible. It refers to a different god, one that opposes our God and sees him as an enemy. You don't belong in that crowd, so don't fly their colors.
1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJV
(22) Abstain from all appearance of evil.
God's Truth
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There you gave implication of female characteristics.
Nowhere does the scripture refer to God as 'It'.
You scolded me earlier for claiming you claimed we can call God a 'She'.
Here we see you refer to Him as a 'She'.
Rosenritter
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This has nothing to do about where the male and female characteristics that we see manifested in God's creation after his own image came from. This has to do with whether we should address God by the name and names he gives for himself, names that have meaning and were given for a reason, or whether we should assign different names, names that also have their own meanings for reasons other than God gave.
Male and female came from God. So did men, angels, cows, sheep, lions, fish, and cockroaches.
1) Is it appropriate to speak of God as the Lamb? Yes, he calls himself the Lamb of God.
2) Is it appropriate to speak of God as the Lion? Yes, he calls himself the Lion of Judah.
3) Is it appropriate to speak of God as a fish? No, he does not call himself a fish.
4) Is it appropriate to speak of God as a cow? or a cockroach? No, he does not call himself these things!
5) Is it appropriate to speak of God as "he?" Yes, he presents himself as a Father, a Son, a brother, even as "I am he."
6) Is it appropriate to speak of God as a "she?" NO, he never calls himself our mother, a daughter, or our sister. This carries other meanings.
Rosenritter
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It's actually much better that we discuss this among ourselves in a (presumably) peaceful and loving manner among brothers and sisters.
God's Truth
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Stop reading things in where it is not.
You are the first one to jump in a try to verbally attack me.
God's Truth
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Stop being a hypocrite.
Rosenritter
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GE, although I'm a bit sympathetic to your position I don't think that's a sufficient proof. From Raven's perspective you have several persons tag-teaming. It could also be read as Jesus speaking in one place, and then saying that the Spirit would also be saying the same thing to them in their hearts.