When does the biblical day begin?

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I think a lot of people make the mistake of failing to discern that Passover consists of a day part and a night part. The day part is for slaughtering lambs and cooking them ready to eat by sundown. The night part is for eating the lambs. Because of those two parts, Passover straddles two dates on the biblical calendar: the 14th and the 15th.

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clefty said:
So the Passover remains applicable to everyone but the Sabbath does not? Hmmmm...
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Correct! The Passover remains applicable to everyone, but the Sabbath does not remain applicable to those who are not protected by the blood of the Lamb, and do not survive the passing over of the angel of death, and do not enter into the promised Sabbath of one thousand years of Peace.
 
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I think a lot of people make the mistake of failing to discern that Passover consists of a day part and a night part. The day part is for slaughtering lambs and cooking them ready to eat by sundown. The night part is for eating the lambs. Because of those two parts, Passover straddles two dates on the biblical calendar: the 14th and the 15th.

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Incorrect! The day part was the 14th, which according to the Jews in the days of Jesus, was the day of preparation to their Passover, the day in which they slaughtered their Pascal Lambs which they eat in the early evening, which was the beginning of the first of the seven days of Unleavened Bread in which they ate the Passover Lamb.

The Jewish days began at sunset.
 
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clefty said:
...that morning next day was preparation day the 14th was when the lambs were killed
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Yes, and that means that these events happened on the 14th, and not the 13th as you claim:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer" (Lk.22:7-15).​
 
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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
If you think God waited 4000 years before He thought to tell us in His word when the day began and ended then I can't help you.
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Why did you just ignore what a Greek expert said about the verse?

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God made this teaching very clear in the very first verses of His Holy Word, in the very first week. I don't know of any Jews who think the day begins at sunrise either.
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Rabbi Samuel ben Meir departed from the long-standing talmudic interpretation. In his commentary on "And there was evening and there was morning," he noted that the Torah spoke of "evening" and not "night," thereby avoiding any attempt to define a complete day, the first half of which would have been nighttime. Rather, it wished merely to indicate that with the onset of evening one day of creation ended and with the coming of dawn a new one began."

"Noted Hebrew scholar, C. H. Leupold (Exposition of Genesis, Vol. 1, pp. 57-58) explains:

The verse [Gen. 1:5], however, presents not an addition of items but the conclusion of a progression. On this day there had been the creation of heaven and earth in the rough, then the creation of light, the approval of light, the separation of day and night. Now with evening the divine activities ceased: they are works of light not works of darkness. The evening (‘erebh), of course, merges into night, and the night terminates with morning. But by the time morning is reached, the first day is concluded, as the account says succinctly, ‘the first day,’ and everything is in readiness for the second day’s task. For ‘evening’ marks the conclusion of the day, and ‘morning’ marks the conclusion of the night. It is these conclusions, which terminate the preceding, that are to be made prominent."​
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Leupold’s point is simply that after each day’s creative activity there followed "evening" and when "morning" arrived another day of creative activity began.

Also a professor of the TaNaK at Westminster Theological Seminary, Edward J. Young (Studies in Genesis One, p. 89) summarizes the Hebrew text as follows:

When the light was removed by the appearance of darkness, it was evening, and the coming of light brought morning, the completion of a day. The days therefore, are to be reckoned from morning to morning. . . . ​

Now a question for you. Please tell me exactly when you think that the Jewish day began.
 
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Sorry Jamie, but the Passover is still applicable to everyone. Just as Adam died at the age of 930 on the day that he ate of the forbidden fruit...
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You need to get your facts straight because Adam did not die physically on the day when he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
Why did you just ignore what a Greek expert said about the verse?



Rabbi Samuel ben Meir departed from the long-standing talmudic interpretation. In his commentary on "And there was evening and there was morning," he noted that the Torah spoke of "evening" and not "night," thereby avoiding any attempt to define a complete day, the first half of which would have been nighttime. Rather, it wished merely to indicate that with the onset of evening one day of creation ended and with the coming of dawn a new one began."

"Noted Hebrew scholar, C. H. Leupold (Exposition of Genesis, Vol. 1, pp. 57-58) explains:

The verse [Gen. 1:5], however, presents not an addition of items but the conclusion of a progression. On this day there had been the creation of heaven and earth in the rough, then the creation of light, the approval of light, the separation of day and night. Now with evening the divine activities ceased: they are works of light not works of darkness. The evening (‘erebh), of course, merges into night, and the night terminates with morning. But by the time morning is reached, the first day is concluded, as the account says succinctly, ‘the first day,’ and everything is in readiness for the second day’s task. For ‘evening’ marks the conclusion of the day, and ‘morning’ marks the conclusion of the night. It is these conclusions, which terminate the preceding, that are to be made prominent."​
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Leupold’s point is simply that after each day’s creative activity there followed "evening" and when "morning" arrived another day of creative activity began.

Also a professor of the TaNaK at Westminster Theological Seminary, Edward J. Young (Studies in Genesis One, p. 89) summarizes the Hebrew text as follows:

When the light was removed by the appearance of darkness, it was evening, and the coming of light brought morning, the completion of a day. The days therefore, are to be reckoned from morning to morning. . . . ​

Now a question for you. Please tell me exactly when you think that the Jewish day began.
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Yup...

Darkness on the face of the waters the LIGHT DAY...then into evening into darkness NIGHT...into morning...and thus the first day completed...evening and the morning were the first day...

Takes a little getting used to...have to unlearn a lot of traditions of man...

But again, there is much scripture to back it and other sites to help...

http://discoveryupdate.com/article10.htm
 
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Correct! The Passover remains applicable to everyone, but the Sabbath does not remain applicable to those who are not protected by the blood of the Lamb, and do not survive the passing over of the angel of death, and do not enter into the promised Sabbath of one thousand years of Peace.
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Oh ok...I usually heard the OT is abolished and the Passover was only for Jews...Sabbath too
 
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Incorrect! The day part was the 14th, which according to the Jews in the days of Jesus, was the day of preparation to their Passover, the day in which they slaughtered their Pascal Lambs which they eat in the early evening, which was the beginning of the first of the seven days of Unleavened Bread in which they ate the Passover Lamb.

The Jewish days began at sunset.
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Except that the meat is eaten that same night portion of the day it was sacrificed...just like when on the 14th the Wrath passes over the same day the lambs were killed...the 14th
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
Why did you just ignore what a Greek expert said about the verse?



Rabbi Samuel ben Meir departed from the long-standing talmudic interpretation. In his commentary on "And there was evening and there was morning," he noted that the Torah spoke of "evening" and not "night," thereby avoiding any attempt to define a complete day, the first half of which would have been nighttime. Rather, it wished merely to indicate that with the onset of evening one day of creation ended and with the coming of dawn a new one began."

"Noted Hebrew scholar, C. H. Leupold (Exposition of Genesis, Vol. 1, pp. 57-58) explains:

The verse [Gen. 1:5], however, presents not an addition of items but the conclusion of a progression. On this day there had been the creation of heaven and earth in the rough, then the creation of light, the approval of light, the separation of day and night. Now with evening the divine activities ceased: they are works of light not works of darkness. The evening (‘erebh), of course, merges into night, and the night terminates with morning. But by the time morning is reached, the first day is concluded, as the account says succinctly, ‘the first day,’ and everything is in readiness for the second day’s task. For ‘evening’ marks the conclusion of the day, and ‘morning’ marks the conclusion of the night. It is these conclusions, which terminate the preceding, that are to be made prominent."​
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Leupold’s point is simply that after each day’s creative activity there followed "evening" and when "morning" arrived another day of creative activity began.

Also a professor of the TaNaK at Westminster Theological Seminary, Edward J. Young (Studies in Genesis One, p. 89) summarizes the Hebrew text as follows:

When the light was removed by the appearance of darkness, it was evening, and the coming of light brought morning, the completion of a day. The days therefore, are to be reckoned from morning to morning. . . . ​

Now a question for you. Please tell me exactly when you think that the Jewish day began.
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I didn't ignore it , you missed it (or ignored it?). I said; "However, even taking this verse alone you cannot say that the day begins at dawn as it clearly says that the day was dawning but that of course happens after the night which is part of the day; i.e. evening and morning - as it states in Genesis, 4000 years before this event."

Let me explain it in more detail for you:

Firstly lets use the actual Greek and translate each word. For these purposes the Interlinear Bible is the most accurate: http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/mat28.pdf

Matthew 28:1
opse de sabbatOn tE epiphOskousE eis mian sabbatOn Elthen maria
evening YET OF-SABBATHS to the ON-LIGHTING INTO ONE OF-SABBATHS CAME MARY

So you can see that Matthew (who was retelling what Mary had told him) was stating that from when the Sabbath that had just past (the 15th) till when the dawn's light broke Mary came to the the tomb.

Now lets add some more context, (because the reason for your error is you are just focusing on a few words out of any context) so lets look at all four accounts when Jesus died on the 14th (at about 3pm) and then being placed in the tomb before sunset which began the Sabbath day (Day 15):

Matthew 28
57As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. 59Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60and placed it in his own new tomb

Mark 15
42It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body.

Luke 23
52Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body. 53Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

John 19
41At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. 42Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.


This 'modern' idea that a small minority of Jews have come up with is based on them playing with the meaning of words. Evening is from when it starts to get dark and morning is from when it starts to get light. Also it makes no sense of the first day, as it says God created the Heavens and the Earth while it was dark which represents the evening. Then God creates light (a supernatural light) which represents the morning. (This supernatural light disappeared at the fall and only the light from the sun moon and stars was left but this light will return when God makes a new Earth).
 
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clefty said:
They got the room prepared for the Passover had a last supper and went out into the garden He got arrested hat same night...that morning next day was preparation day the 14th was when the lambs were killed and He was killed and laid into the tomb as others ate the Passover...which occurred that night...morning was l5th sabbath...
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We all know as quoted in the scriptures that to the Hebrews, the Day was divided into a 12 hour period of Darkness, which was followed by a 12 Hour period of Light.

Only a biblical ignoramus would say that the Bible does not state that It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the first day, and It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the second day, and It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the third day, and It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the forth day, and It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the fifth day, and It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the sixth day.

As you have admitted, the 14th day of Abib, was the Jewish day of Preparation, and we know that Jesus held the Passover in the evening of 14th day of Abib as commanded by the Lord, but which was the day when the Jews of those days, who had abandoned the one day festival of Passover, killed their Passover lambs, which they ate on the evening of the 15th day, which was the first of their seven day festival of unleavened Bread, that by right, should have been eaten, in the evening of the one day festival of Passover, which was the evening and beginning of the 14th day of Abib.

Concerning the 14th day of Abib, which was the day of Passover, the Lord says in Exodus 12: 14; “You must celebrate ‘THIS DAY’*as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the Lord have done, Celebrate it (One day)*for all time to come.

We also know from scriptures that after the evening meal, Jesus was arrested in the darkness by guards, who came with lanterns, and that Pilate passed the death sentence on Jesus, at the 6th hour of the day of Preparation, as stated in John 19: 13; where it is said; "When Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judgment seat at a place called The Pavement, and in Hebrew, Gab′batha. Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover; (The 14th day of Abib) it was about the sixth hour. He said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”

Now we all know that it was the 6th hour of the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, That darkness covered the land, 3 hours after Jesus was nailed to the cross at the 3rd hour of the day of Preparation.

Now only a mentally unstable and scriptural ignoramus, would believe that the sixth hour on the day of Preparation, when Pilate sentenced Jesus to death, is the same 6th hour of the Day of Preparation, when darkness covered the Land, 3 hours after Jesus had been nailed to the cross.

Are you a biblical ignoramus clefty? Or are you a confused poor soul, who is struggling to comprehend the truth as revealed in scripture? Or perhaps you are no more than an atheist troll, whose only purpose it to disrupt the threads of those believers who are searching for the truth as revealed in scriptures.

Which of those three are you clefty?
 
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We all know as quoted in the scriptures that to the Hebrews, the Day was divided into a 12 hour period of Darkness, which was followed by a 12 Hour period of Light.

Only a biblical ignoramus would say that the Bible does not state that It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the first day, and It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the second day, and It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the third day, and It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the forth day, and It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the fifth day, and It was evening then morning, darkness then daylight on the sixth day.

As you have admitted, the 14th day of Abib, was the Jewish day of Preparation, and we know that Jesus held the Passover in the evening of 14th day of Abib as commanded by the Lord, but which was the day when the Jews of those days, who had abandoned the one day festival of Passover, killed their Passover lambs, which they ate on the evening of the 15th day, which was the first of their seven day festival of unleavened Bread, that by right, should have been eaten, in the evening of the one day festival of Passover, which was the evening and beginning of the 14th day of Abib.

Concerning the 14th day of Abib, which was the day of Passover, the Lord says in Exodus 12: 14; “You must celebrate ‘THIS DAY’*as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the Lord have done, Celebrate it (One day)*for all time to come.

We also know from scriptures that after the evening meal, Jesus was arrested in the darkness by guards, who came with lanterns, and that Pilate passed the death sentence on Jesus, at the 6th hour of the day of Preparation, as stated in John 19: 13; where it is said; "When Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judgment seat at a place called The Pavement, and in Hebrew, Gab′batha. Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover; (The 14th day of Abib) it was about the sixth hour. He said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”

Now we all know that it was the 6th hour of the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, That darkness covered the land, 3 hours after Jesus was nailed to the cross at the 3rd hour of the day of Preparation.

Now only a mentally unstable and scriptural ignoramus, would believe that the sixth hour on the day of Preparation, when Pilate sentenced Jesus to death, is the same 6th hour of the Day of Preparation, when darkness covered the Land, 3 hours after Jesus had been nailed to the cross.

Are you a biblical ignoramus clefty? Or are you a confused poor soul, who is struggling to comprehend the truth as revealed in scripture? Or perhaps you are no more than an atheist troll, whose only purpose it to disrupt the threads of those believers who are searching for the truth as revealed in scriptures.

Which of those three are you clefty?
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Oh my...the histrionics and name calling is understandable...typical even


Things falling apart on ya eh? Lol

Read carefully and you dont find what you wish it to say...

It is nowhere written "darkness then daylight on the first day"

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New International Version
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.

New Living Translation
God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." And evening passed and morning came, marking the first day.

English Standard Version
God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

New American Standard Bible
God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

King James Bible
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
God called the light "day," and He called the darkness "night." Evening came and then morning: the first day.

International Standard Version
calling the light "day," and the darkness "night." The twilight and the dawn were day one.

NET Bible
God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." There was evening, and there was morning, marking the first day.

New Heart English Bible
God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. There was evening and there was morning, one day.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
God named the light [day], and the darkness he named [night]. There was evening, then morning-the first day.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

New American Standard 1977
And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And God called the light Day and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

King James 2000 Bible
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

American King James Version
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

American Standard Version
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And he called the light Day, and the darkness Night; and there was evening and morning one day.

Darby Bible Translation
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening, and there was morning -- the first day.

English Revised Version
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Webster's Bible Translation
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night: and the evening and the morning were the first day.

World English Bible
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." There was evening and there was morning, one day.

Young's Literal Translation
and God calleth to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one.


But rather it came to be evening...it came to be morning...the first day completed


Its takes some getting used to...you know some unlearning of man's traditions...




Thought this of interest too...

https://youtu.be/9rTnZRD-J6Y
 
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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
Now lets add some more context, (because the reason for your error is you are just focusing on a few words out of any context) so lets look at all four accounts when Jesus died on the 14th (at about 3pm) and then being placed in the tomb before sunset which began the Sabbath day (Day 15):
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So you say that the Jewish day began at sunset. Then explain why we see that the passover was celebrated on one day, the 14th:

"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD" (Num.28:16).​

Do you not assert that the passover took place an both the 14th and 15theven though we can see that the passover was already over by the time when the 15th arrived:

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
So you say that the Jewish day began at sunset. Then explain why we see that the passover was celebrated on one day, the 14th:

"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD" (Num.28:16).​

Do you not assert that the passover took place an both the 14th and 15theven though we can see that the passover was already over by the time when the 15th arrived:

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​
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It says the Passover begins at twilight (as the sun goes down) on the 14th day and the Festival of Unleavened Bread then begins on the 15th day and lasts for 7 days:

Leviticus 23
5 The Lord’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast.

It also says to sacrifice the Passover Lamb when the sun goes down in the evening:

Exodus 12:6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight.

Deuteronomy 16
5 You must not sacrifice the Passover in any town the Lord your God gives you 6 except in the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name. There you must sacrifice the Passover in the evening, when the sun goes down, on the anniversary of your departure from Egypt.

They ate the Passover lamb that evening on the 15th while it was dark, it probably took a good hour to cook and prepare it with the herbs so they ate it at about 7pm to 8pm. Then the angel of death passed over at midnight on the 15th and then they left Egypt.
 
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They ate the Passover lamb that evening on the 15th while it was dark, it probably took a good hour to cook and prepare it with the herbs so they ate it at about 7pm to 8pm. Then the angel of death passed over at midnight on the 15th and then they left Egypt.
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Why do you refuse to believe the fact that the passover was already over by the time the 15th arrived?:

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​

Please allow me to ask you a simple question. What day of the month is being referred to here?:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed" (Lk.22:7).​

Thanks!
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
Why do you refuse to believe the fact that the passover was already over by the time the 15th arrived?:

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​

Please allow me to ask you a simple question. What day of the month is being referred to here?:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed" (Lk.22:7).​

Thanks!
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? I think we are in agreement - the Passover is on the 14th. The feast of Unleavened bread starts from the 15th
 
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clefty said:
Oh my...the histrionics and name calling is understandable...typical even


Things falling apart on ya eh? Lol

Read carefully and you dont find what you wish it to say...

It is nowhere written "darkness then daylight on the first day"

Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.

New Living Translation
God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." And evening passed and morning came, marking the first day.

English Standard Version
God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

New American Standard Bible
God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

King James Bible
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
God called the light "day," and He called the darkness "night." Evening came and then morning: the first day.

International Standard Version
calling the light "day," and the darkness "night." The twilight and the dawn were day one.

NET Bible
God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." There was evening, and there was morning, marking the first day.

New Heart English Bible
God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. There was evening and there was morning, one day.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
God named the light [day], and the darkness he named [night]. There was evening, then morning-the first day.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

New American Standard 1977
And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And God called the light Day and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

King James 2000 Bible
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

American King James Version
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

American Standard Version
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And he called the light Day, and the darkness Night; and there was evening and morning one day.

Darby Bible Translation
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening, and there was morning -- the first day.

English Revised Version
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Webster's Bible Translation
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night: and the evening and the morning were the first day.

World English Bible
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." There was evening and there was morning, one day.

Young's Literal Translation
and God calleth to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one.


But rather it came to be evening...it came to be morning...the first day completed


Its takes some getting used to...you know some unlearning of man's traditions...




Thought this of interest too...

https://youtu.be/9rTnZRD-J6Y
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No girly, nothing is falling apart. Proving that unstable and biblically uneducated fools, are simply twisting the Holy Scripture to their own destruction, is the reason why I am here.

God did indeed call the light period, 'DAY', and the period of Darkness, he called night. Now the word of the Lord and our scientific community, all agree that the first period of Light came out of the darkness, therefore the Lord says, "There was evening then morning the first day.

There was evening first, now evening is the beginning of the period of darkness, then there was morning, this is the rising of the sun, which is the beginning of the period of light that followed the period of darkness.

Perhaps that might be too difficult for a biblically uneducated person such as yourself to understand, so let us continue.

Now nobody is interested in what 'YOU' or some self praising money making TV Evangelist wants them to believe, they are only interested in what God wants them to believe, so we wont even bother with the link that you provided.

The bible states that it was about the 6th hour of the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, when Pilate sentenced Jesus to death, he was nailed to the cross at the 3rd hour of the day of preparation to the Passover, Darkness covered the land at the 6th hour of the day of preparation to the Passover, Jesus died on the 9th hour of the day of preparation to the Passover, and he was buried as the sun was setting on the day of preparation to the Passover, just as the Sabbath was beginning.

Matthew and Mark both state that it was in the evening as the sun set on the 14th day of preparation, that Jesus was laid in his tomb. Luke 23: 53-54; The body of Jesus was laid in a rock hewn tomb. "It was the day of preparation and the Sabbath was beginning."

So now, you still continue to argue that the 6th hour of the day of preparation to the Passover when Jesus was sentenced to death, is the same 6th hour of the day of preparation when the land was covered in darkness after Jesus had been nailed to the cross at the 3rd hour of the day of Preparation to the Passover, who died on the 9th hour of the day of Preparation to the Passover, and was laid in a rock hewn tomb as the sun was sitting on the day of preparation to the Passover, just as the evening, which was the most High Sabbath of the first of the seven day festival of unleavened bread, the 15th day of Abib, was descending.

John 19: 31; Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a HIGH Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

John 19: 42; Now because it was the Jewish day of Preparation, and as the tomb was close at hand the laid the body of Jesus there.

If you are still incapable of comprehending that the Jewish days in the time of Jesus, consisted of a 12 hour period of darkness, which was followed by a 12 hour period of daylight, then you of all people are the most to be pitied.

The day has 12 hours has it not? Said Jesus, so work while the light is with you.

So again let me ask you, do you believe the Holy Scriptures? Or are you here to simply disrupt the threads of the believers?
 
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WeberHome said:
So the real challenge is not finding the three days and three nights the Lord predicted at Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-21. No, an even more difficult challenge is figuring out where to place those two sabbaths in crucifixion week's order of events.
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A Catholic once suggested to me that the two sabbaths were together, i.e. they fell on the same date. So I countered that the suggestion would not work to Catholicism's advantage seeing as how the standard Good Friday model is short by one night.

With a little creative finagling it's possible to produce three days with the Good Friday model by counting all day Saturday as one of the three days Christ predicted at John 2:19, and counting Friday afternoon and Sunday morning as two days; thus producing three. But no amount of finagling can produce three nights as per his prediction at Matt 12:40.

The only way that Good Friday's one-night deficit can be rectified is by giving Passover's sabbath and the regular week-end sabbath their own dates; viz: have them run consecutive instead of coincident.

That would push Jesus' crucifixion day to Thursday; but hay, you gotta do what you gotta do in order to come up with those three days and three nights or be the laughing stock of the non Christian world because even a third grader can see right off that the standard Good Friday model's arithmetic doesn't add up.

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