Is Unbelief a sin ?

beloved57 · May 11, 2016

Yes, by all means and it's illustrated by the unbelief of the jews who departed from egypt Heb 3:16-19. Now notice vs 17 " them that had sinned" are them that believed not in vs 18-19, the sin was believing not or unbelief.

16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

So now when Paul preached that Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3, and yet that didn't include their sin of unbelief, then he lied on Christ. The point is this, if Christ died for our sins, then He died for our unbelief, and we can't be condemned for it as some are Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Now proof positive that unbelievers Christ died for can not be condemned for unbelief is Rom 5:10, that while we were enemies and unbelievers obviously, we still had been reconciled to God by the death of His Son, which is not the case if we are under condemnation for unbelief.

Robert Pate · May 11, 2016

beloved57 said:
Yes, by all means and it's illustrated by the unbelief of the jews who departed from egypt Heb 3:16-19. Now notice vs 17 " them that had sinned" are them that believed not in vs 18-19, the sin was believing not or unbelief.

So now when Paul preached that Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3, and yet that didn't include their sin of unbelief, then he lied on Christ. The point is this, if Christ died for our sins, then He died for our unbelief, and we can't be condemned for it as some are Jn 3:18.

Now now proof positive that unbelievers Christ died for can not be condemned for unbelief is Rom 5:10, that while we were enemies and unbelievers obviously, we still had been reconciled to God by the death of His Son, which is not the case if we are under condemnation for unbelief.

Christ died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.

But you don't believe the scriptures. You place the words of a heretic over the word of God.

beloved57 · May 11, 2016

Robert Pate said:
Christ died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.

But you don't believe the scriptures. You place the words of a heretic over the word of God.

Did you understand the points made in the post ?

Robert Pate · May 11, 2016

beloved57 said:
Did you understand the points made in the post ?

I understand that you don't have the truth.

beloved57 · May 11, 2016

Robert Pate said:
I understand that you don't have the truth.

Evasion

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Robert Pate · May 11, 2016

beloved57 said:
Evasion

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You try to mix Calvinism with New Testament Christianity. It doesn't mix.

beloved57 · May 11, 2016

Robert Pate said:
You try to mix Calvinism with New Testament Christianity. It doesn't mix.

More evasion

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Epoisses · May 11, 2016

Sin is absolutely unbelief and B57 is a gross unbeliever to the point where he denies the gospel.

beloved57 · May 12, 2016

Epoisses said:
Sin is absolutely unbelief and B57 is a gross unbeliever to the point where he denies the gospel.

Did you read and understand the points i made in the OP ?

patrick jane · May 12, 2016

beloved57 said:
Yes, by all means and it's illustrated by the unbelief of the jews who departed from egypt Heb 3:16-19. Now notice vs 17 " them that had sinned" are them that believed not in vs 18-19, the sin was believing not or unbelief.

So now when Paul preached that Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3, and yet that didn't include their sin of unbelief, then he lied on Christ. The point is this, if Christ died for our sins, then He died for our unbelief, and we can't be condemned for it as some are Jn 3:18.

Now now proof positive that unbelievers Christ died for can not be condemned for unbelief is Rom 5:10, that while we were enemies and unbelievers obviously, we still had been reconciled to God by the death of His Son, which is not the case if we are under condemnation for unbelief.

2 Timothy 2:13 KJV -

beloved57 · May 12, 2016

patrick jane said:
2 Timothy 2:13 KJV -

Did you read the post and understand the points made?

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patrick jane · May 12, 2016

beloved57 said:
Did you read the post and understand the points made?

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Yes

Nanja · May 12, 2016

beloved57 said:
Yes, by all means and it's illustrated by the unbelief of the jews who departed from egypt Heb 3:16-19. Now notice vs 17 " them that had sinned" are them that believed not in vs 18-19, the sin was believing not or unbelief.

So now when Paul preached that Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3, and yet that didn't include their sin of unbelief, then he lied on Christ. The point is this, if Christ died for our sins, then He died for our unbelief, and we can't be condemned for it as some are Jn 3:18.

Now now proof positive that unbelievers Christ died for can not be condemned for unbelief is Rom 5:10, that while we were enemies and unbelievers obviously, we still had been reconciled to God by the death of His Son, which is not the case if we are under condemnation for unbelief.

Unbelief is a sin that Christ took upon Himself for His People that He died for, the Seed of Abraham Heb. 2:16.

For everyone one of them are given to believe on Him Phil. 1:29; John 3:27. And when one believes on Christ in this manner, it's evidence that they were reconciled to God by the death of His Son Rom. 5:10, that they were not as those who were condemned already John 3:18.

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Nanja · May 12, 2016

patrick jane said:
2 Timothy 2:13 KJV -

Explain in your own words what that verse means and how it applies to those who were reconciled to God while enemies.

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patrick jane · May 12, 2016

Nanja said:
Explain in your own words what that verse means and how it applies to those who were reconciled to God while enemies.

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Once you believe you are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, if you should fall into unbelief you are still saved and sealed

Ephesians 1:13 KJV - Ephesians 1:14 KJV -

Nanja · May 12, 2016

patrick jane said:
Once you believe you are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, if you should fall into unbelief you are still saved and sealed

Ephesians 1:13 KJV - Ephesians 1:14 KJV -

If a person is one who was reconciled to God while being an enemy Rom. 5:10,
then for him, Christ is the Author and finisher of their Faith Heb. 12:2.

But if a person is one who was condemned already John 3:18, his own believing is a work of the flesh Rom. 8:8; Is. 64:6.

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patrick jane · May 12, 2016

Nanja said:
If a person is one who was reconciled to God while being an enemy Rom. 5:10,
then for him, Christ is the Author and finisher of their Faith Heb. 12:2.

But if a person is one who was condemned already John 3:18, his own believing is a work of the flesh Rom. 8:8; Is. 64:6.

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Calvinists like you enjoy the doom and gloom aspect of the Bible, so quick to show that you think you are chosen while others are chosen to destruction. Talking scripture with you is fruitless

Nanja · May 12, 2016

patrick jane said:
Calvinists like you enjoy the doom and gloom aspect of the Bible, so quick to show that you think you are chosen while others are chosen to destruction. Talking scripture with you is fruitless

You just proved you have no understanding of the scriptures I posted when all you have to offer to the conversation is unwarranted criticism.

This was my post:

Originally Posted by Nanja
If a person is one who was reconciled to God while being an enemy Rom. 5:10,
then for him, Christ is the Author and finisher of their Faith Heb. 12:2.

But if a person is one who was condemned already John 3:18, his own believing is a work of the flesh Rom. 8:8; Is. 64:6.

That's pure scripture with understanding 1 Cor 2:13.

patrick jane

Calvinists like you enjoy the doom and gloom aspect of the Bible, so quick to show that you think you are chosen while others are chosen to destruction. Talking scripture with you is fruitless

So then, please explain to us your understanding of Rom. 5:10 and John 3:18.

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beloved57 · May 12, 2016

Nanja said:
Unbelief is a sin that Christ took upon Himself for His People that He died for, the Seed of Abraham Heb. 2:16.

For everyone one of them are given to believe on Him Phil. 1:29; John 3:27. And when one believes on Christ in this manner, it's evidence that they were reconciled to God by the death of His Son Rom. 5:10, that they were not as those who were condemned already John 3:18.

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Yes, believing on Christ is a evidence that He's your Saviour and has saved you from your sins to include unbelief.

beloved57 · May 12, 2016

Nanja said:
You just proved you have no understanding of the scriptures I posted when all you have to offer to the conversation is unwarranted criticism.

This was my post:

patrick jane

So then, please explain to us your understanding of Rom. 5:10 and John 3:18.

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The adversary always evades the points of scripture that makes our points.

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