ECT Classical Vs. Biblical Original Sin - Interlude & DIRECT ASSAULT (Part 3) :execute:
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glorydaz
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Sin lies at the door until you invite it in. Sin entered the world, it doesn't enter into man until man entertains it.
glorydaz
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Yes, those "heinous future sins". I could never follow his posts very well.
glorydaz
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I can tell you haven't read the chapter. It's not talking about a single act of stoning for one offense, but a long list of inquities, and then a turning from them. Did that happen with the stonings? Were they able to mend their ways in order to avoid it?
Read it again, and this time read chapter 17.
Then tell me that this is about stoning under the law, and physical death.
Ezek. 18:26-28 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
glorydaz
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Then your point was pointless, wasn't it.
glorydaz
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All men are born with an earthly physical body and a human nature.
Babies die (physically) for the same reason we all die. When Adam sinned, man was cut off from the tree of life. God made it clear that man would return to the dust of the ground, and with good reason, I would say, for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. We need to go into the ground when we die, and be resurrected with a new spiritual body.
I believe Paul answers that here. Adam was the first man, earthly, and Christ was the second man, heavenly.
1 Cor. 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1 Cor. 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
By the first man, came death, and by the second man came the resurrection from the dead.
This is speaking of our body.
1 Cor. 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Here, too, we can see that we bear the image of Adam (earthly) (natural body of flesh and blood), and at the resurrection of the dead, we will bear the image of the Last Adam (heavenly) spiritual body.
1 Cor. 15:48-49 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
dodge
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If the federal headship of Adam and the imputation of his sin unto all his posterity be repudiated, then what alternative is left us?
Only that of the separate testing of each individual. If the race were not placed on probation in the first man, then each of his offspring
must stand trial for himself. But the conditions of such a trial make success impossible, for each probationer would enter upon it in a
state of spiritual death! The human family is either suffering for the sin of its head or it is suffering for nothing at all. “Man is born
unto trouble,” and from it there is no escape. What then is the explanation of the grim tragedy now being enacted on this earth? Every
effect must have a previous cause. If we be not born under the condemnation of Adam’s offence, then why are we “by nature the children
of wrath” (Eph. 2:3)? “Now either man was tried and fell in Adam, or he has been condemned without trial. He is either under the
curse (as it rests upon him from the beginning of his existence), for Adam’s guilt, or for no guilt at all. Judge which is more honouring
to God: a doctrine which, although profoundly mysterious, represents Him as giving man an equitable and most favourable probation
in his federal head, or that which makes God condemn him untried, even before he exists” (R. L. Dabney)
W.A. Pink "the total depravity of man ".
glorydaz
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Yes, there are several names for the land of the dead, but it's clear there are separate places for the righteous and unrighteous....the guilty and innocent. You mentioned Paradise, already, and we know Christ preached to the "prisoners" there between his death and resurrection. I totally agree that no on went to heaven before He did.
glorydaz
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I saw that and I'm not buying it. I hope you will spend some time examining the verses I gave you. The Bible itself has the answers. You'll find all kinds of writings from men.
The problems we're seeing on earth is a result of our being condemned to live in this corrupt world with the god of this world running things.
dodge
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I did read the verses you posted and none of them change " in Adam all die ".
glorydaz
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You must be speaking from experience.
The only enmity mentioned in the fall of Adam and Eve was enmity between the woman and the serpent, and between the woman's seed and the serpent's seed.
It mentions no enmity between Adam and GOD.
And it mentions no alienation from GOD.
GOD and Adam still had a relationship after the fall.
Nang
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Obviously . . . such is your problem.
Nang
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Which resulted in a universal breach between God and men enslaved by Satan.
Who was to be the father of the human race, if not Eve's husband?
If you thinks so, define it and prove it with Holy Scripture please . . .
glorydaz
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Dust to dust.
glorydaz
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I know, I'm not buying your doctrine. Obviously.
dodge
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glorydaz
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Very true. If they hadn't, God would not have talked to them and covered their nakedness. :thumb:
glorydaz
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Can't be enslaved until you obey him.