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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Hence, they were grafted into the Olive Tree.



    Paul wanted to get them from the Olive Tree (which would be hewn down soon) into the Body.
    That would be double conversion.

    It is not true.

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    So what happened that Arsenio was banned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    That would be double conversion.

    It is not true.

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    Is that anything like double jeopardy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    You didn't know there were three of us that believe the Romans were not yet saved!

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    And I think Paul knew his letter would change that. Which is why he wrote it the way he did as the letter went on.

    I'm in too!


    You had the believing (Christ is the promised kingdom Messiah) remnant of Israel.
    You have the unbelieving Israel.
    And you have the believing Gentiles that blessed or joined Israel as a proselyte (called Greeks).

    The believing Greeks would share in the blessings of GOD that the unbelieving Israel would NOT receive.
    Such as speaking in tongues, healing, raising the dead, casting out demons, etc. (unbelieving Israel got none of that, but believing Israel and Greeks did).
    Unbelieving Israel would have been provoked to jealousy to see Gentiles receiving the blessings that they did not.

    The tree of branches being broken off and 'wild' branches being grafted in is about the above Gentiles/Greeks.
    They should not boast about being grafted in with believing Israel, because they too can also be broken off.
    One can be cast out of Israel's kingdom.
    One cannot be broken off from the BOC.


    It's about Israel's earthly kingdom promises, not the BOC promises.

    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    It's about Israel's earthly kingdom promises, not the BOC promises.
    Question: Wouldn't Paul have wanted to see them continue on in the way they'd started? 1 Cor 7:17-18

    What I mean is, why was Paul the one writing to them as believers but not as members of the Body (as those who'd already believed the Kingdom Gospel)? Why not Peter, James or John? And if Paul did write to them as non-Body members, why are many opposed to the idea that Paul wrote Hebrews? I'm probably confused but not seeing the difference there.

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