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    Discussion thread for AMR and God's Truth Trinity Debate.

    Ask Mr Religion and God's Truth just started a One on One debate regarding the Holy Trinity.

    Lets discuss their debate here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    Ask Mr Religion and God's Truth just started a One on One debate regarding the Holy Trinity.

    Lets discuss their debate here.
    AMR has his work cut out for him....that's for sure. I'm waiting with bated breath for this next answer.

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    “Why do you go against the written Word of God?.... You just cannot go against the truth so you merely pretend it is not there.”-God’s”Truth”

    I know that I'm engaging in an unproductive "debate," when my opponent spams these stumpers.

    “Why do you go against the written Word of God?...."=can be employed on any any topic, to mesmirize the audience...

    "You just cannot go against the truth so you merely pretend it is not there"-his Jack Nicholson impression
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    “Why do you go against the written Word of God?.... You just cannot go against the truth so you merely pretend it is not there.”-God’s”Truth”

    I know that I'm engaging in an unproductive "debate," when my opponent spams these stumpers:



    “Why do you go against the written Word of God?...."=can be employed on any any topic, to mesmirize the audience...

    "You just cannot go against the truth so you merely pretend it is not there"-his Jack Nicholson impression
    Saint John W

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    In post #7 GT says this:

    "Jesus existed in the Spiritual body of the Man Jesus before the creation of anything."
    First of all, there was not in existence this man called Jesus until the incarnation because the Angel Gabriel declared to Mary in Luk 1:31 "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS."
    The plain sense is that a human son would be born who had never been born as man before and that He 'shall' upon being born(future) be called by the name Jesus/Yeshua.

    Second, the word 'man' in the OT is 'adam' and all true humanity/man proceeded from this one 'man/adam' and his mate 'Eve'. Gen 3:20
    Any existent being which did not proceed from the seed of Adam is not truly man/adam/Grk-anthropos.

    Though the Angel of YHVH and other angels/messengers appeared repeatedly in the form/likeness/similitude of 'man', these beings were not in reality 'man/adam'.

    Though I believe that the person who is the WORD/GOD would later add 'humanity/man/ adam/anthropos' to His person, He only did this once and for all at His incarnation/infleshment.

    The word 'man' is not identical to the word 'person'. While all men are persons, not all persons are men. The word 'person' has more to do with 'mind' and 'self-conciousness', which can exist without a physical form. Not all 'persons' have a physical form.


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    In traditional Christian theological terms, it is the Theanthropos/GOD-man which is called 'Jesus'.

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    Thanks Knight, for making this thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    First of all, there was not in existence this man called Jesus until the incarnation because the Angel Gabriel declared to Mary in Luk 1:31 "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS."
    The plain sense is that a human son would be born who had never been born as man before and that He 'shall' upon being born(future) be called by the name Jesus/Yeshua.

    Second, the word 'man' in the OT is 'adam' and all true humanity/man proceeded from this one 'man/adam' and his mate 'Eve'. Gen 3:20
    Any existent being which did not proceed from the seed of Adam is not truly man/adam/Grk-anthropos.

    Though the Angel of YHVH and other angels/messengers appeared repeatedly in the form/likeness/similitude of 'man', these beings were not in reality 'man/adam'.

    Though I believe that the person who is the WORD/GOD would later add 'humanity/man/ adam/anthropos' to His person, He only did this once and for all at His incarnation/infleshment.

    The word 'man' is not identical to the word 'person'. While all men are persons, not all persons are men. The word 'person' has more to do with 'mind' and 'self-conciousness', which can exist without a physical form. Not all 'persons' have a physical form.


    *Edit:
    In traditional Christian theological terms, it is the Theanthropos/GOD-man which is called 'Jesus'.
    You have not disproved anything I have said. I would really like to reply to what you say here, but it might compromise my one on one with AMR. I wish AMR would respond faster.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Isaiah 9:6 KJV
    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    The humanity, and deity, of the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, the bible is a book of details. It does not say "a son is born."
    Saint John W

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    Ask Mr Religion and God's Truth just started a One on One debate regarding the Holy Trinity.

    Lets discuss their debate here.
    Confusion, confusion, confusion
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You have not disproved anything I have said. I would really like to reply to what you say here, but it might compromise my one on one with AMR. I wish AMR would respond faster.
    You won't compromise your thread...unless you mean you will just give AMR more ammunition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    Isaiah 9:6 KJV
    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    The humanity, and deity, of the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, the bible is a book of details. It does not say "a son is born."
    You argue about words that do not matter.

    This scripture says a Savior is born.

    Luke 2:11

    King James Bible
    For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

    Matthew 1:23
    "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" (which means "God with us").
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    You won't compromise your thread...unless you mean you will just give AMR more ammunition.
    You mean you all can post here so AMR could get some help, or like more nonsense.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Confusion, confusion, confusion
    You do not believe Jesus is God come as a Son of Man, a Son of God. You are the one in confusion, like those who believe in the trinity doctrine.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Anyone can post here who wants to. We can't post on the one to one thread. I think AMR is quite capable of taking care of himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    Isaiah 9:6 KJV
    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    The humanity, and deity, of the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, the bible is a book of details. It does not say "a son is born."
    John,

    Let's ask some questions and look at context

    Is there any you have that has not been "given" to you?

    Your life?

    Your salvation?

    Your conception?

    God's word?

    What exactly did you provide for yourself that didn't already exist?

    Will you be given more?

    God knows what you need before you even ask.

    John 3:16 God gave his only begotten son.

    When was the beginning, the gennesis of the son?

    Matthew 1:18 Matthew tells us of his beginning.

    God created therefore we are able to receive.

    Is God done yet?

    God had a son whom He gave.

    That was His will even before it was announced in Genesis 3:15

    God had his plans and He carries them out, including having a son with a beginning and giving him for us.

    Context John, Context
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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