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    Is general revival at all any longer possible in the western church?
    If TOL is any indication - and I'm not saying it is or isn't - no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for June 11th, 2013 05:00 AM

    toldailytopic: Is general revival at all any longer possible in the western church?
    I am not sure it is. It seems to me that the NT speaks of a falling away, no love of the truth, false teachers, wolves in the church, and deception to the point of deceiving the elect if not for the grace of God.

    I am curious though, what verses foretell a revival?
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    Not a one, not during the dispensation of grace anyway.
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    If BG preached another gospel, then what?
    I do not share Billy's freewill theology, nevertheless we cannot deny that a great many have been saved through his ministry...we rejoice, America ought to be proud of Billy....since so many have ben saved there must have been enough of the saving gospel in his message for the Holy Ghost to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    If TOL is any indication - and I'm not saying it is or isn't - no.
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    TOL is spectrum of what the western church believes broadly but with a great many going it alone.

    It is symptomatic of an underlying problem...when Israel was ruled by judges and the leadership fouled up it was every man to his home O Israel. There is in my opinion too much leadership of man in the western church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totton Linnet View Post
    It is symptomatic of an underlying problem...when Israel was ruled by judges and the leadership fouled up it was every man to his home O Israel. There is in my opinion too much leadership of man in the western church.
    Agreed 100%, but the root cause of THAT problem is one we'd sorely disagree on so I'll not mention it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TweetyBird View Post
    I am not sure it is. It seems to me that the NT speaks of a falling away, no love of the truth, false teachers, wolves in the church, and deception to the point of deceiving the elect if not for the grace of God.

    I am curious though, what verses foretell a revival?
    None. But there have been breakthroughs and revivals in the past...the key is always back to the bible....I see little appetite for pure bible knowledge, rather when people wish to understand a doctrine they seek out vids and books etc for someone to explain it to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totton Linnet View Post
    I do not share Billy's freewill theology, nevertheless we cannot deny that a great many have been saved through his ministry...we rejoice, America ought to be proud of Billy....since so many have ben saved there must have been enough of the saving gospel in his message for the Holy Ghost to use.
    If he taught another gospel, then he is accursed according to Paul --- just sayin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totton Linnet View Post
    None. But there have been breakthroughs and revivals in the past...the key is always back to the bible....I see little appetite for pure bible knowledge, rather when people wish to understand a doctrine they seek out vids and books etc for someone to explain it to them.
    Revivals do come and go ... but are they Biblical? We agree that the Bible is the "final answer". If revivals fade away, then are they really of God? The pure Gospel of Christ is resurrection power - it never grows old, never dulls, never fades away.
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    The Holy Spirit is alive, just as we are alive. That which is alive is always moving. When The Spirit of God moves: nations tremble. The power of God is at work in revival. All it takes is one person seriously seeking God for a revival to take place. The church is dead. It has died due to tradition, dogma and ritual. It needs to be resurrected, and to do that: revival is necessary. We need to get back to the message (Gospel) and we need to carry our cross. Without doing so we are ignoring God's desire for our lifetime. He wants to win our enemies to His Army so that we can march together, sweep this world with His Message and get our job done.
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    Yes it is not God who ever changes but man. Revivals come when we return to the bible. And actually the revivals have not died away...the reformation has remained, the works of Bunyan are with us...the work of Wesley/Whitefield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    The Holy Spirit is alive, just as we are alive. That which is alive is always moving. When The Spirit of God moves: nations tremble. The power of God is at work in revival. All it takes is one person seriously seeking God for a revival to take place. The church is dead. It has died due to tradition, dogma and ritual. It needs to be resurrected, and to do that: revival is necessary. We need to get back to the message (Gospel) and we need to carry our cross. Without doing so we are ignoring God's desire for our lifetime. He wants to win our enemies to His Army so that we can march together, sweep this world with His Message and get our job done.
    I am curious about your view. You seem to be combining organized religion with the body of Christ [the true church] - which are two separate and different concepts. The body of Christ never died, but Christianity's organized religion does have issues for sure - even though many in that venue are part of the body of Christ. The body of Christ never needs a revival - it is spiritually firm and serving the Lord unconditionally with His Love and Mercy given to others, and the Gospel of Christ spoken in all truth. That is the resurrection power that has never faded away or been dulled, and never will since Jesus rose gloriously from the dead. That just grabs my heart every time I think of it!

    It reminds me another song by Big Daddy Weave:

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    Those who are in The Body of Christ (whether they attend a church or not) are the ones who need a revival, just as those who are dead and attending a dead church need same. The Body of Christ needs to spend more face-time and seek for God's revival of not only those who are His but those who are soon to be His.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Those who are in The Body of Christ (whether they attend a church or not) are the ones who need a revival, just as those who are dead and attending a dead church need same. The Body of Christ needs to spend more face-time and seek for God's revival of not only those who are His but those who are soon to be His.
    If a person is truly in the body of Christ, their life is filled with joy and a deep love for and a desire to serve Jesus. I have been a Christian for most of my life and I am not "dead". I am thrilled with the Gospel every waking moment. The concept of revivals confuse me as the concept and need is not apparent to me. We have the Bible - if people are not reading it to stay in focus, then a revival is not going to change that.

    Revivals do not last. They fail because it is the flesh and emotionalism which hypes people up. When the revival is gone, they fall back right where they were to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TweetyBird View Post
    If a person is truly in the body of Christ, their life is filled with joy and a deep love for and a desire to serve Jesus.
    Ideally, yes. Not every lives an 'ideal' life.
    I have been a Christian for most of my life and I am not "dead".
    Many people who are don't realize the death they walk in every day.
    I am thrilled with the Gospel every waking moment.
    Good for you.
    The concept of revivals confuse me as the concept and need is not apparent to me.
    I daresay you have a lot to learn, to say the least.
    We have the Bible - if people are not reading it to stay in focus, then a revival is not going to change that.
    God doesn't want us to stagnate... He is alive... He wants us to not only read our Bibles but to make use of what is in there: a roadmap that leads to His Holy Mountain.
    Revivals do not last. They fail because it is the flesh and emotionalism which hypes people up. When the revival is gone, they fall back right where they were to begin with.
    In your opinion. God brings revival to awaken dry bones. His Purposes are always satisfied. His Word never returns to Him void.
    "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." -- Amos 3:7

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