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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    To lie is to express a falsehood with the intention of deceiving (or something like that). In order to deceive someone, you pass off an untruth for truth. But in order to conceive of something is true, you must have an intellect, the very formal object of which is truth.

    Animals aren't rational beings. They don't have intellects. They can't be deceived in the strictest sense.


    that's nonsense, as anybody who has a dog for a pet knows.

    playing "where's the treat" is all you need to consider to agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    Furthermore, even if it were wrong, it would never constitute an offense against the animal. Animals aren't rational beings, are not subjects of moral law, and have no rights. We have no direct duties to animals.
    They are God's creations and manifestations of his will. Especially when we benefit from them and they are gifts from God, we should therefore receive such gifts with reverence and respect.
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    My beautiful labrador/spaniel was soo-o smart, he could understand what everyone was saying, so when my mum asked him "is she telling the truth?" he used to rat on me.

    Oh the indignity...she used to believe the dog more than me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire View Post
    They are God's creations and manifestations of his will. Especially when we benefit from them and they are gifts from God, we should therefore receive such gifts with reverence and respect.
    I agree with this. We especially see this in the example of St. Francis. But if you "mistreat" an animal in a sinful way, the offense isn't against the animal. You offend against yourself, other human beings, and against God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire View Post
    They are God's creations and manifestations of his will. Especially when we benefit from them and they are gifts from God, we should therefore receive such gifts with reverence and respect.
    Yes, but do our PETS return the same respect?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrected View Post
    that's nonsense, as anybody who has a dog for a pet knows.

    playing "where's the treat" is all you need to consider to agree
    This can be explained by the estimative power.
    "If you say the Rosary faithfully until death, I do assure you that, in spite of the gravity of your sins 'you shall receive a never fading crown of glory.' [2] Even if you are on the brink of damnation, even if you have one foot in Hell, even if you have sold your soul to the devil as sorcerers do who practise black magic, and even if you are a heretic as obstinate as a devil, sooner or later you will be converted and will amend your life and save your soul, if----and mark well what I say----if you say the Holy Rosary devoutly every day until death for the purpose of knowing the truth and obtaining contrition and pardon for your sins" (St. Louis Marie de Montfort, Secret of the Rosary, Red Rose).

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    Like any lie, depends on the motive.

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    toldailytopic: Is lying to an animal immoral?



    I'll ask the dog.
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    He just wagged his tail.

    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huckleberry View Post
    Like any lie, depends on the motive.
    I would agree.
    A lie can be used to hurt or protect.

    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegascowboy View Post
    If it is, then this cowpoke is in trouble. I would never lie to a horse, but I have to my own dogs. I tell them they can have a treat if they come in from outside. On occasion, I do not give them said treat.

    That is probably bad, but not immoral.

    I love our pets.


    The dogs think it is downright dastardly, dishonest and deceitful.

    No wonder it is so hard to win a dog's trust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totton Linnet View Post


    The dogs think it is downright dastardly, dishonest and deceitful.

    No wonder it is so hard to win a dog's trust.
    Well, they ARE stubborn. I have to get them to come in for the night SOMEHOW!

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    How does an animal know what a lie is?

    "Hey dog you can stay up all night" puts dog to bed. Does the dog really know what happened?

    "Hey cat I'm going to pet you 50 strokes" owner stops at 30.

    "Hey hamster I'm going to buy you a new toy" owner doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky. View Post
    How does an animal know what a lie is?

    "Hey dog you can stay up all night" puts dog to bed. Does the dog really know what happened?

    "Hey cat I'm going to pet you 50 strokes" owner stops at 30.

    "Hey hamster I'm going to buy you a new toy" owner doesn't.
    You cross the line with the hamster comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegascowboy View Post
    Well, they ARE stubborn. I have to get them to come in for the night SOMEHOW!

    Yep! I say this about that animal husband of mine all the time!
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    It can be. Scriptures tell us to care for our animals. If lying to one causes it stress or grief. For the most part, it is more a sin against our own nature if we tease an animal or otherwise harm it. One reason oath-breaking is treated so severely in the OT is because of what it does to the one making the oath. I think similarly at least, breaking a promise to an animal is more about an internal promise for us. On the surface though? If you said 'just a minute' and forgot? Not gonna be any kind of issue. If you do it all the time, you are going to frustrate the animal and it will act out one way or another (like missing play time with a cat or feeding time for a dog).

    My arrow frogs don't seem to care, so I don't even really talk to them............ ..............

    Quote Originally Posted by IMJerusha View Post
    Yep! I say this about that animal husband of mine all the time!
    Oh! You mean those kind of animals. Boy did I miss the whole point of this thread!

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