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    Quote Originally Posted by fanci View Post
    You have a valid point. And I may be mixing concepts into a moral Long island... However I do feel that many (I wouldn't go so far as to say most, but many) religious laws are laws that teach us to show love for one another. We are not showing love for our neighbor or our God who commands is to love if we are sleeping with those neighbors' wives and then lying to the judge about it.
    However if we are following Gods law we will be showing respect and care for God and others. While love may be more than respect and care, those are the most teachable aspects.

    Also the only civil/government laws I am referring to are the most basic laws that simply imply respect of one another such as theft, murder, assault, harassment, etc.



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    The laws may overlap, but I think the intent behind them often differs. We have civil laws against murder to establish and maintain the citizen's right to life (basic to civil peace). We have religious laws against murder because "God said so" (obedience to God). And the general 'law of love' forbids murder because murder is the opposite of an expression of love.

    The law is the same, but the ethical imperative it's representing in each case is somewhat different. And the reason I think this is important to note, is to show that civil law is not necessarily moral, nor religiously inspired. While not all religious laws are loving, or beneficial to civil society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    The laws may overlap, but I think the intent behind them often differs. We have civil laws against murder to establish and maintain the citizen's right to life (basic to civil peace). We have religious laws against murder because "God said so" (obedience to God). And the general 'law of love' forbids murder because murder is the opposite of an expression of love.



    The law is the same, but the ethical imperative it's representing in each case is somewhat different. And the reason I think this is important to note, is to show that civil law is not necessarily moral, nor religiously inspired. While not all religious laws are loving, or beneficial to civil society.

    Very well said and thank you for a good clarification.


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    It may have escaped your notice sir, but you're a bit of an animal yourself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    toldailytopic: Is lying to an animal immoral?
    Only if they lie back.

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    Chimps have been known to lie. Once, in a facility with chimps capable of signing, one was asked who had urinated on the floor.

    The chimp blamed a researcher who wasn't in the room at the time. They are capable of deception, because they seem to be capable of inferring that other beings can think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for June 6th, 2013 05:00 AM


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    I don't know, but My mom told me it would not hurt when I went to the dentist and it hurt like hell.

    She told me it would not hurt when the nurse gave me a needle, but it hurt like hell.

    She told me she would not let me go in deep water, but she let me go.

    It was the way in those days.

    I told my kids it would hurt and they never complained about it.

    When I could not find something small to belt my 17 year old son with and picked up a heavy hose instead and belted him like hell, I thought he would leave home but he just wimpered a bit. He knew he deserved it.

    I stood up to my dad once and he belted me to the ground. I never did it again and it helped me more than I realized at the time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    I don't know, but My mom told me it would not hurt when I went to the dentist and it hurt like hell.

    She told me it would not hurt when the nurse gave me a needle, but it hurt like hell.

    She told me she would not let me go in deep water, but she let me go.

    It was the way in those days.

    I told my kids it would hurt and they never complained about it.

    When I could not find something small to belt my 17 year old son with and picked up a heavy hose instead and belted him like hell, I thought he would leave home but he just wimpered a bit. He knew he deserved it.

    I stood up to my dad once and he belted me to the ground. I never did it again and it helped me more than I realized at the time.



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    Why are you going on about beating your son like hell with a heavy hose?

    Why do you call beating "belting?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for June 6th, 2013 05:00 AM


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    Is lying to a human a sin? It can be if used maliciously (example: false witness), but there is no general condemnation of lying in the scriptures. In fact, telling the truth can be a sin if done maliciously as well - such as leaking secrets to an enemy. Scriptures notes how God has even blinded people so that they would believe lies. I think one needs to delve further than simply whether one is telling the truth or not - we need to look at what is being communicated, why, and what the reasonable results of such information (true or false) will have on others, especially from the perspective of the one communicating said information.

    Sometimes it is even beneficial to withhold truth from someone who is not ready for it. Example: it would probably pretty easy to make a new Christian stumble by pointing out all the (supposed) theological errors of the denomination/church they started attending - pitting doctrine vs doctrine against someone whose faith is not well-rooted yet and who lacks a real familiarity with the scriptures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoo22 View Post
    Why are you going on about beating your son like hell with a heavy hose?

    Why do you call beating "belting?"

    Is that avatar picture a picture of you in prison?

    No . I am on the outside looking in .


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