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    toldailytopic: Is lying to an animal immoral?

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    When I take the dog for a ride, and we're going to the vet, I feel a little bit dishonest. She's so happy to get a ride, and then we pull up in front of the vet's office, and she realizes what we're doing, and gets upset.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for June 6th, 2013 05:00 AM


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    Well I didn't exactly lie to my German Shepherd, but, getting him into the bath tub was no easy task. I'd have a piece of brauschweiger in my hand and entice him upstairs. He'd slink into the tub and sit there quivering as though the world were coming to an end. Of course after the bath and receiving his treat for being "Such a good boy!" He was as happy as a puppy! I miss him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    toldailytopic: Is lying to an animal immoral?
    Nope...Just pathetic.
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    oh no, not another dog thread

    I don't mind it when you bark

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    It isn't the lie itself that does the harm, it's the exploitation that results, and the abuse of trust. Most people would think this is immoral, regardless of the victim's biological classification.

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    Assuming the *lie* is for the purpose of putting the animal in question at ease, I am going to say no.
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    for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    toldailytopic: Is lying to an animal immoral?


    Like saying "Mmmmm- that's a good burger" ?


    Or looking through a scope and saying to a deer "That's it, come on, nice bait pile waiting for you"?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for June 6th, 2013 05:00 AM


    toldailytopic: Is lying to an animal immoral?

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    Unusual Question. One has to be able to reason to understand the concept of lying, something that the animal kingdom altogether lacks. There is a qualitative difference between humans and animals, not just quantitative. They are made in the image of God, enabling them to understand concepts such as lying. An animal, even a dolphin is not going to understand that you told it a lie. Animals live for procreation and eating. Smarter ones enjoy play. They are not emotionally impacted by moral concepts such as lying. Banjo the dog only knows you didn't put out his doggie dish. He doesn't know you promised to do it and didn't. Lying to an animal-loopy, but not immoral.

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    I'd consider deceiving certain avians and primates to be crossing a line, since they appear to have a great degree of self-awareness (and an awareness, in some cases, of the concept of deception). In my book that counts for something different than tricking a dog or cat, and an action that could potentially confuse, hurt, or anger a creature with the ability to recognize what I've done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for June 6th, 2013 05:00 AM


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    If it is, then this cowpoke is in trouble. I would never lie to a horse, but I have to my own dogs. I tell them they can have a treat if they come in from outside. On occasion, I do not give them said treat.

    That is probably bad, but not immoral.

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    To lie is to express a falsehood with the intention of deceiving (or something like that). In order to deceive someone, you pass off an untruth for truth. But in order to conceive of something is true, you must have an intellect, the very formal object of which is truth.

    Animals aren't rational beings. They don't have intellects. They can't be deceived in the strictest sense.

    Furthermore, even if it were wrong, it would never constitute an offense against the animal. Animals aren't rational beings, are not subjects of moral law, and have no rights. We have no direct duties to animals.

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