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    Overdue and worthy of praise. The backlash is stale, old, and predictable.
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    The problem is not that the Boy Scouts have allowed the young boy members to participate regardless of orientation as most of them shouldn't be engaged in any kind of sexual practices whether they are homosexual practices or heterosexual practices. The problem is that this decision fundamentally changes their pledge and their values.

    The boy scout pledge to:
    "On my honor I will do my best To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight."

    has now been compromised. I can guarantee the the same pressure that forced this decision will be continually levied against the boy scouts to redefine "morally straight" in such a way as to allow, and even promote, same sex relationships.

    Then, once that has been done, those exerting pressure will point out that it is inconsistent to allow moral straightness to include same sex relationships and yet disallow scout leaders who are engaged in same sex relationships.

    This isn't the last we have heard on the issue because those who desire to make sure that everyone in america celebrates same sex relationships will not stop until every organization celebrates it, every church embraces it, and every person who dares speak to the contrary is criminalized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poetpatoi View Post
    I wonder why the need to advertise when someone decides he's gay. Are we supposed to be announcing that we are heterosexual, as well? We all have many differences that can be used to teach mutual dignity and respect. Something that is blatantly against God's word should not be one of them.
    Respect that is never tested isn't worth much. There is no teaching in that, just empty words. You want to teach kids what it really means? You have be willing to do it when you don't like it.

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    Poor decision. Expected one though. Just another slide into immorality.

    If you keep your kids in it though knowing it will now be filled with perverts, then don't cry foul when your child is abused in it since you are offering them up for it if you keep them in it now.

    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
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    10 out of 10 members of NAMBLA agree that the Boy Scout's recent decision is...

    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
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    I don't much care but I don't understand why allowing gay children to participate is such a bad thing. I would think you guys be happy about it. Should gay children just be shunned until they learn their lesson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dena View Post
    I don't much care but I don't understand why allowing gay children to participate is such a bad thing. I would think you'd be happy about it. Should gay children just be shunned until they learn their lesson?
    No, they should join a gay scouting group that their peers start, where part of their creed has nothing to do with morality, instead of demanding they can ignore the creed of that which they seek to join, without having to follow that creed.

    Or better yet, they should learn that homosexuality is immoral.

    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
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    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    I'm sure all the bigots and haters will be bent out of shape over this, just as they always are when their illusions of supremacy are not being propped up and maintained by everyone else. But in the end this will be good for the Scouts because it reflects our willingness as a society to try and treat each other fairly and with dignity and respect, in spite of our differences.
    Allowing a gay child into scouts doesn't even mean the group as a whole agrees that homosexuality is a good idea. I have friends with which I disagree on every issue from politics to religion to parenting. But we're still friends. They allow me to visit their home and I allow them in my home. We do things together. We enjoy each others company. Including a person in your community doesn't mean you agree with everything they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dena View Post
    Allowing a gay child into scouts doesn't even mean the group as a whole agrees that homosexuality is a good idea.
    Yes, it does. It teaches them right off that the creed they agreed to, is irrelevant. It teaches that they do not stand for what they claim to stand for, right off the bat.

    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
    Proverbs 3:5-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poetpatoi View Post
    I wonder why the need to advertise when someone decides he's gay. Are we supposed to be announcing that we are heterosexual, as well? We all have many differences that can be used to teach mutual dignity and respect. Something that is blatantly against God's word should not be one of them.
    I don't advertise the fact that I'm heterosexual but it's pretty obvious. I would imagine for some older kids, it might also be obvious. Some will feel a need to tell others so that it's not a shock because surprising someone with information like that can be very uncomfortable and create a weird situation.

    It is also possible that a child who is not openly gay would be afraid to join for fear that if anyone did find out they were gay, they would be humiliated by the organization by being thrown out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inzl Kett View Post
    Bad decision. Allowing perverts into the scouting program is going to cause of lot of problems. It isn't going to be safe to let your son go on overnight campouts with these guys anymore. Perverts tend to be very aggressive in promoting their lifestyle. Do you think they are gong to rein it in at boy scouts?
    What it does is open up a whole field for them to harvest. Sadly, gays prey on young boys. They even take in foster kids with that very intent. One was just caught and is being prosecuted right here in Eugene, Oregon. Four foster boys and it was a day treatment boy from a residential treatment center that blabbed. Child porn was found on this guy's computer. Busted.

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    Perverts in general prey on children. That's what they do. It has nothing to do with homosexuality or heterosexuality. The Boy Scouts aren't changing their policy on gay scout leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dena View Post
    Allowing a gay child into scouts doesn't even mean the group as a whole agrees that homosexuality is a good idea. I have friends with which I disagree on every issue from politics to religion to parenting. But we're still friends. They allow me to visit their home and I allow them in my home. We do things together. We enjoy each others company. Including a person in your community doesn't mean you agree with everything they do.
    And kids mostly don't care about that stuff unless their parents teach them to view it as "bad". They call other kids "queers" because their parents have taught them that it's an insult. But when they get to know someone who is gay for themselves, in most cases they will see that it was a lie.

    We went through all this with racism, and the younger generations no longer carry around all that crap like the older folks have done. Now we're going through it with homosexuality, and the same positive changes will happen over time. The Scout's decision is just another step in the direction of freedom and equality, and it's a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dena View Post
    I don't much care but I don't understand why allowing gay children to participate is such a bad thing. I would think you guys be happy about it. Should gay children just be shunned until they learn their lesson?
    There is no such thing as a "gay child." The problem for the Boy Scouts will be older boys, who have made the wrong decision or have been "gotten to" already, will be around younger boys who are only awakening to their sexual urges. That's exactly what we don't need.

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