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    Haha, they apologized. If that's true and they meant it, then it's the funniest thing I've read in days. Government agencies apologizing . Next thing you know, religionists will stop idolizing books, scientists will listen to Nazaroo and pigs will fly on the wings of doves!!

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    RandPaul writes:
    Its funny, I probably hate Obama just as much, if not more, than he does. But for completely different reasons.
    I don't think it's about race or even politics with you. I think you're too extreme, but I have to admit that your politics are a lot more realistic than connie's.
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    Originally Posted by The Barbarian

    If you give a president the power, he will use it. That is a given, and no matter how idealistic he may be on entering the WH, the power will seduce him and he will eventually use all he has, and look for more. This is why such power needs to be trimmed back periodically, just on principle.
    Nearly all men can stand adversity but if you want to test a man's character give him power.
    Abraham Lincoln.

    Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...iauLZ2KGJkw.99

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    RandPaul writes:


    I don't think it's about race or even politics with you. I think you're too extreme, but I have to admit that your politics are a lot more realistic than connie's.
    Thanks.
    All I expect is that you'll read what I post and take it at face value (Try not to read things into it.) If you still disagree, that's completely fine. Look at CultureWarrior's homosexuality thread to know what NOT to do. For instance, if I say "I think X should be legal" that does NOT mean I approve of X. That should be common sense but apparently not here
    Sure, quoting one of the most powermongering and evil Presidents in US History. Are you seriously suggesting Lincoln didn't abuse his power? Because that would be a joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
    Thanks.
    All I expect is that you'll read what I post and take it at face value (Try not to read things into it.) If you still disagree, that's completely fine. Look at CultureWarrior's homosexuality thread to know what NOT to do. For instance, if I say "I think X should be legal" that does NOT mean I approve of X. That should be common sense but apparently not here
    Not with connie, anyway. He thinks you have to approve of everything you think people should be legally able to do. In his world, whatever isn't required, is illegal.

    Sure, quoting one of the most powermongering and evil Presidents in US History. Are you seriously suggesting Lincoln didn't abuse his power? Because that would be a joke
    The only way out is to carefully limit the power any one person has, and then watch them closely. This is why government loves secrecy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Not with connie, anyway. He thinks you have to approve of everything you think people should be legally able to do. In his world, whatever isn't required, is illegal.
    Yeah, I've encountered that a lot here, and to varying degrees in real life, but the logical conclusion to that (For a Christian anyway) is to mandate weekly attendance of church, daily Bible readings... (Where does this rabbit trail end? I really don't know, but I don't think I'd like it.)

    EVERYONE stops before that point, to varying degrees. Which should then force them to argue each law on its own merits. Which doesn't always happen.

    Compulsory morality doesn't work, IMO.

    The only way out is to carefully limit the power any one person has, and then watch them closely. This is why government loves secrecy.
    Yeah, our constitution tried to do that, but I also would deem it to have been a mistake. Whatever problems the Articles of Confederation may have had, they seemed to have prevented the power and tyranny that comes from a centralized state. I think if the Founders could see what people have done with the constitution now, they'd never have usurped the Articles.

    Let me think... Good Presidents... I'd say Washington, Jeffeson, Martin Van Buren, John Tyler, U.S. Grant, Chester A. Arthur, Grover Cleveland, and Calvin Coolidge were the only ones I can say even did a good job in the White House, with Buren, Tyler, and Cleveland being the only ones who are Great (Depending on the day I could put Washington in that category as well, I didn't like his flirting with the Federalists and Hamilton, nor did I appreciate his handling of the Whiskey Rebellion, so he's kind of on the border between good and great for me.)

    Everyone not on the above list was either irrelevant, bad, or terrible.

    Lew Rockwell joked that his favorite President was William Henry Harrison, since he keeled over a month after he got into office

    I'm tempted to agree, but Harrison's platform sucked. Martin Van Buren, John Tyler, and Grover Cleveland managed to usurp nearly no power and each of them ruled four whole years (Cleveland ruled four years two different times.)

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    RandPaulfor2016

    Sure, quoting one of the most powermongering and evil Presidents in US History. Are you seriously suggesting Lincoln didn't abuse his power? Because that would be a joke
    just noting the irony as Obama is quite the fan of Abe



    even took the Oath of the President on the same Bible as Lincoln.


    Even time thought there was a similarity

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    Of course Obama idolizes Lincoln. The two are actually quite similar. Its no surprise that Obama quoted the tyrant Lincoln when the states righteously sent the White House secession petitions.

    Obama, however, has yet to be as effective at destroying our rights as Lincoln has. Lincoln and Obama, however, both are/were horrible Presidents.

    Of course, the government schools will never teach you how evil Lincoln was.

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    The Articles of Impeachment for Richard Nixon...too soon for Barry


    Article 1

    RESOLVED, That Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanours, and that the following articles of impeachment to be exhibited to the Senate:

    ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT EXHIBITED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN THE NAME OF ITSELF AND OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AGAINST RICHARD M. NIXON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT OF ITS IMPEACHMENT AGAINST HIM FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANOURS.

    ARTICLE 1

    In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his consitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that:

    On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence. Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his close subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede, and obstruct the investigation of such illegal entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible; and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities.

    The means used to implement this course of conduct or plan included one or more of the following:
    making false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;

    withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;

    approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counselling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings;

    interfering or endeavouring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, and Congressional Committees;

    approving, condoning, and acquiescing in, the surreptitious payment of substantial sums of money for the purpose of obtaining the silence or influencing the testimony of witnesses, potential witnesses or individuals who participated in such unlawful entry and other illegal activities;

    endeavouring to misuse the Central Intelligence Agency, an agency of the United States;

    disseminating information received from officers of the Department of Justice of the United States to subjects of investigations conducted by lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States, for the purpose of aiding and assisting such subjects in their attempts to avoid criminal liability;

    making or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation had been conducted with respect to allegations of misconduct on the part of personnel of the executive branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct: or

    endeavouring to cause prospective defendants, and individuals duly tried and convicted, to expect favoured treatment and consideration in return for their silence or false testimony, or rewarding individuals for their silence or false testimony.

    In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

    Wherefore Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.

    Adopted 27-11 by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives, at 7.07pm on Saturday, 27th July, 1974, in Room 2141 of the Rayburn Office Building, Washington D.C.
    Listen to the roll call of the Judiciary Committee on the First Article of Impeachment



    Listen to the Announcement of the Vote.



    Article 2

    Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, impairing the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposed of these agencies.

    This conduct has included one or more of the following:
    He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

    He misused the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service, and other executive personnel, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, by directing or authorizing such agencies or personnel to conduct or continue electronic surveillance or other investigations for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; he did direct, authorize, or permit the use of information obtained thereby for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; and he did direct the concealment of certain records made by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of electronic surveillance.

    He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, authorized and permitted to be maintained a secret investigative unit within the office of the President, financed in part with money derived from campaign contributions, which unlawfully utilized the resources of the Central Intelligence Agency, engaged in covert and unlawful activities, and attempted to prejudice the constitutional right of an accused to a fair trial.

    He has failed to take care that the laws were faithfully executed by failing to act when he knew or had reason to know that his close subordinates endeavoured to impede and frustrate lawful inquiries by duly constituted executive, judicial and legislative entities concerning the unlawful entry into the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee, and the cover-up thereof, and concerning other unlawful activities including those relating to the confirmation of Richard Kleindienst as Attorney General of the United States, the electronic surveillance of private citizens, the break-in into the offices of Dr. Lewis Fielding, and the campaign financing practices of the Committee to Re-elect the President.

    In disregard of the rule of law, he knowingly misused the executive power by interfering with agencies of the executive branch, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Criminal Division, and the Office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, of the Department of Justice, and the Central Intelligence Agency, in violation of his duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.

    In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

    Wherefore Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.

    Adopted 28-10 by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives.
    Article 3

    In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, contrary to his oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has failed without lawful cause or excuse to produce papers and things as directed by duly authorized subpoenas issued by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives on April 11, 1974, May 15, 1974, May 30, 1974, and June 24, 1974, and willfully disobeyed such subpoenas. The subpoenaed papers and things were deemed necessary by the Committee in order to resolve by direct evidence fundamental, factual questions relating to Presidential direction, knowledge or approval of actions demonstrated by other evidence to be substantial grounds for impeachment of the President. In refusing to produce these papers and things Richard M. Nixon, substituting his judgment as to what materials were necessary for the inquiry, interposed the powers of the Presidency against the the lawful subpoenas of the House of Representatives, thereby assuming to himself functions and judgments necessary to the exercise of the sole power of impeachment vested by the Constitution in the House of Representatives.

    In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

    Wherefore, Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.

    Adopted 21-17 by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives.

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    Sound like you're all set. All you need is some evidence.

    That's always the hard part, um?
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    And when she agrees to testify, Issa will tell her she won't be permitted to testify.
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