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    Republicans are still furious over IRS scrutiny of non-profit groups with "Tea Party" and "patriots" in their names, but the life of the scandal depends entirely upon the political affiliation of the hundreds of other groups investigated by tax officials.

    Only 25% of the 300 scrutinized groups seeking non-profit status were reportedly affiliated with right-wing causes. Whether the rest aligned with left-leaning causes like abortion and climate change will not be known until the entire list is released. The IRS told Gawker today that the full list has yet to be made public.

    President Obama said he only learned of the Cincinnati office's tactics on Friday but "will not tolerate it." Republicans in Congress are calling for investigations.

    IRS examinations of politically vocal non-profits is not new—the most recent outrage to make the national news was in 2006, when tax officials threatened and persecuted liberal churches during the presidency of George W. Bush.

    But as the harassment of both liberal and conservative churches in 2004 and 2006 shows, it is sometimes difficult to create a partisan scandal out of some bureaucrats interpreting the ridiculously vague tax code prohibitions on non-profits engaging in political campaigns.

    http://gawker.com/irs-didnt-just-hun...s-al-504685119

    So the IRS apparently has been targeting both the left and the right for inappropriate attention since the early 2000s. Obama deserves criticism for not putting a stop to it. Although the culprits seem to be Bush holdovers, they now work for Obama, and he should have told them that such things would no longer be allowed.

    It seems there was evidence that there was a culture of politically-motivated investigation, going back over a decade before he took office. Bill Clinton's mom was the subject of one such fishing expedition, when he was running for president.

    Should be interesting to see what else is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Republicans are still furious over IRS scrutiny of non-profit groups with "Tea Party" and "patriots" in their names, but the life of the scandal depends entirely upon the political affiliation of the hundreds of other groups investigated by tax officials.

    Only 25% of the 300 scrutinized groups seeking non-profit status were reportedly affiliated with right-wing causes. Whether the rest aligned with left-leaning causes like abortion and climate change will not be known until the entire list is released. The IRS told Gawker today that the full list has yet to be made public.

    President Obama said he only learned of the Cincinnati office's tactics on Friday but "will not tolerate it." Republicans in Congress are calling for investigations.

    IRS examinations of politically vocal non-profits is not new—the most recent outrage to make the national news was in 2006, when tax officials threatened and persecuted liberal churches during the presidency of George W. Bush.

    But as the harassment of both liberal and conservative churches in 2004 and 2006 shows, it is sometimes difficult to create a partisan scandal out of some bureaucrats interpreting the ridiculously vague tax code prohibitions on non-profits engaging in political campaigns.

    http://gawker.com/irs-didnt-just-hun...s-al-504685119

    So the IRS apparently has been targeting both the left and the right for inappropriate attention since the early 2000s. Obama deserves criticism for not putting a stop to it. Although the culprits seem to be Bush holdovers, they now work for Obama, and he should have told them that such things would no longer be allowed.

    It seems there was evidence that there was a culture of politically-motivated investigation, going back over a decade before he took office. Bill Clinton's mom was the subject of one such fishing expedition, when he was running for president.

    Should be interesting to see what else is there.
    It does appear, though, that no matter what scandalous behavior is exposed during this administration it is found by apologists, such as yourself, to either have it's roots in the Bush era or be a vendetta on the part of conservatives or be perfectly understandable under the circumstances.
    President Obama remains a tabula rasa, a blank page, a clean slate. a teflon coated icon.

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    It does appear, though, that no matter what scandalous behavior is exposed during this administration it is found by apologists, such as yourself, to either have it's roots in the Bush era or be a vendetta on the part of conservatives or be perfectly understandable under the circumstances.
    In this case, Obama deserves to be criticized. He obliquely admitted it by saying that such behavior is outrageous and unacceptable. Now, let's see if he actually does something to clean it up.

    President Obama remains a tabula rasa, a blank page, a clean slate. a teflon coated icon.
    I'll say he's better than his predecessor in this regard, only after (and if) he takes action to put a stop to it. "Bush started it" is not an excuse to let it continue. I have to say that I find this particular tradition of corruption, although very disturbing, less worrisome than the former practice of grading federal prosecutors according to their loyalty to the president and his party. That indicates corruption right to the top in the WH.

    If Obama is doing that, I'd call him despicable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bybee View Post
    ...President Obama remains a tabula rasa, a blank page, a clean slate. a teflon coated icon.
    Liberals see themselves as the victim (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10). You feel harassed? I feel harassed? Am 8:5 "What difference does it make?!" ~ Hillary Clinton

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
    I agree that its annoying when some liberals do this, but that's only becuase they pretend Obama is somehow not responsible. Bush, however, is responsible for his own bad policies. Obama is responsible for keeping said policies, as well as his own bad policies.
    You will get no argument from me. But I would tack on some more things. His bad policies were not kept in place, they were greatly amplified. Like the "bailout", and prescription drugs for seniors to all out socialized medicine. Bush II was just liberal democrat light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
    Its one thing to say "We're all in this together", its another thing to say "We're all in this together, and we'll kill you if you try to maintain control of your own property."

    The latter is an absolutely disgusting position to hold, but its a position that most people hold without even thinking about it because of state indoctrination.
    OK I have two issues with this

    • The first is that you had an equal choice in what system that has been choosen.
    • The second is that you have the option to leave anytime you want


    both those suggest you have not been 'coherced'

    "Thou shall not steal" seems pretty darn explicit to me
    Simple but wrong and I think you know it.

    When the bible talks of taxes it never even suggests they are theft, it even says that Caesar taxes belong to Caesar. So that scripture is misappropriated and quite clearly misused.

    And yeah, the US gets a bloated defense budget and an unsustainable entitlement system for its money. That, and the highest prison population in the world. Its DEFINITELY not worth the price. If I had a red button that would instantaneously make FedGov disappear from the planet, I'd push it, and we'd be better off.
    and what would the results be? how many people would gte hurt and die ? or is that not your problem?

    The same is true for the UK government, but your government may well waste less money than ours, simply because its smaller. Same reason the states do a better job than the Feds over here, but what they do still isn't "Good", just less bad.
    Hey at 40% I think its at its absolute limit and would like to see it come down, also money is waisted, I would want every government employee to spend time in the real world before spending our money, I get frustrated with it to.

    But it does not stop me from keeping faith with the simple belief that we are our brothers keepers, that it is the strongs responsibility to protect the weak, and we should be in this together.

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    I think on an issue such as taxes,we need to learnt to live with I had my say I lost the argument without claiming theft !



    Quote Originally Posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
    This is the bottom line. Peter never told Annanias and Saphira they HAD to give to the poor. As such, I don't think Peter would have advocated a government who told them they had to either...

    VOLUNTARY collectivism is not only fine, but excellent. Its coercive collectivism that's the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    Liberals see themselves as the victim
    And yet we have the revelation that rightwing groups were only about 25% of the groups so targeted, but serpent is clinging to her belief that she's a victim.

    It's the usual extremist pandering for sympathy, while ignoring that others were similarly treated. You'r a victim only as long as you let yourself be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    "Liberals see themselves as the victim"
    You removed the scripture from my quote (Eph 4:14, Jn 8:44, Jn 1:1, Isa 30:12). It is what you do.

    Liberals see themselves as the victim (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    "...[S]erpent is clinging to her belief that she's a victim."
    I am a conservative (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10).

    As a reminder, Barbie does not have a biblical worldview.

    See:

    Barbarian
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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    I am a conservative
    Just another whiny conservative, playing the victim card. I see where you again claim Christians don't have a "biblical view."
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Just another whiny conservative, playing the victim card...
    Ad hominem

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    Groundbreaking revelation from a left leaning news group that received classified info secretly leaked to them by the IRS.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...rvative-Groups

    The progressive-leaning investigative journalism group ProPublica says the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) office that targeted and harassed conservative tax-exempt groups during the 2012 election cycle gave the progressive group nine confidential applications of conservative groups whose tax-exempt status was pending.

    ProPublica says the documents the IRS gave them were “not supposed to be made public”:

    The same IRS office that deliberately targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status in the run-up to the 2012 election released nine pending confidential applications of conservative groups to ProPublica late last year... In response to a request for the applications for 67 different nonprofits last November, the Cincinnati office of the IRS sent ProPublica applications or documentation for 31 groups. Nine of those applications had not yet been approved—meaning they were not supposed to be made public. (We made six of those public, after redacting their financial information, deeming that they were newsworthy.)

    The group says that "no unapproved applications from liberal groups were sent to ProPublica.”

    let me guess, "low level" employees who were hired by Bush made The IRS leak classified tax information about conservative groups to left leaning news organizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffblue101 View Post
    let me guess, "low level" employees who were hired by Bush made The IRS leak classified tax information about conservative groups to left leaning news organizations.
    We know that they did, according to the story you cited. Of course, if you can show that they were directed to do that, from higher up, I would agree with you that the Bush people and whoever directed them to do so, should lose their jobs.

    Let us know what you find.
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    Hey, Folks
    Posted by Lew Rockwell on May 14, 2013 01:34 PM

    The IRS scandal is that they steal your money at the point of a gun--and they're doing more and more of it right now--not that they question some conservative group's tax exemption.
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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