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    Quote Originally Posted by bybee View Post
    Just read the Quran. You will find it for yourself.
    Let the voices of moderate Muslims be heard denouncing the extremist activities. Many Christian voices were raised denouncing the nut case minister who burned the Quoran.
    I did, once. It was pretty tedious. Reminded me of a weird, alternate version of the Old Testament.

    The moderates of any movement usually are drowned out by the vocal minority of nutters. Happens all the time.
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    muslims are warm fuzzy bunnies

    except for the ones who are violent psychopaths


    but those guys are just misunderstood

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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrected View Post
    muslims are warm fuzzy bunnies

    except for the ones who are violent psychopaths


    but those guys are just misunderstood
    The weird thing is.... there appears to be a vicious cycle going on here.

    - Muslims want kill non-Muslims.
    - Liberals think that if we be nice to them they will not want to kill non-Muslims
    - The "nicer" we are to them the more they want to kill us
    - The more they want to kill us the more liberals want to be nice to them

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    Quote Originally Posted by bybee View Post
    Apparently, all it took was two for the Boston Marathon slaughter to happen?
    So the Bible/Christianity is responsible for Scott Philip Roeder? I'm sure he felt as righteous as any Jihadist. Empower any viewpoint in a culture without restraint and the sociopaths will use and distort it like they do with everything. They'll manipulate the ethnocentric principle and whip otherwise peaceful people into violence.

    But like a certain comedian said recently about that Boston attack, most people aren't like that. Ever. And history will eventually bury the ones who are. The good may suffer set backs, but it prevails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    So the Bible/Christianity is responsible for Scott Philip Roeder? I'm sure he felt as righteous as any Jihadist. Empower any viewpoint in a culture without restraint and the sociopaths will use and distort it like they do with everything. They'll manipulate the ethnocentric principle and whip otherwise peaceful people into violence.

    But like a certain comedian said recently about that Boston attack, most people aren't like that. Ever. And history will eventually bury the ones who are. The good may suffer set backs, but it prevails.
    Evil doing from any quarter cannot be ignored or brushed aside or compared to other evil doing as if two wrongs constitutes an answer.

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    Today's Dailytopic, it is everyday daily topic and no one change his ideas.

    All you will be doing, is instead of Qaeda (a small group Afghani nutcases) being your only enemy, you will acquire 1.6 billion Muslims as enemies.

    Let me see you when that happens, what would your "liberal" views of "it's just a cartoon" be useful of, but the hatred of 1/7 of the earth, who can have allies to the east easily.

    My advice as a muslim : keep the moderates while you can, and you won't do it with handpicking out of context verses of Quran.

    [The Jihadist aren't attacking you because you are non-muslims (if that was their sole-reason, not even ten people would companion them in their quest), they say you are non-muslims who attacked muslims, and if they succeed to prove that, no Muslims would be moderate anymore, Ayatollah would've not hated you as much if you didn't help the Shah kill his people, and he had the hatred of people with him for that, including a good percentage of Iranian Jews]

    Keep a reason not flipping 1.6 billion swords on you countries. It's lovely to act for children like us, if we don't like cartoon of the prophet, you better not do some, because this would be interpreted aggressive, and give reason to people like Qaeda to convince people like me, that you are an enemy.
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    All you will be doing, is instead of Qaeda (a small group Afghani nutcases) being your only enemy, you will acquire 1.6 billion Muslims as enemies.
    Only if the majority allow a minority to (sorry) hijack your faith.

    Let me see you when that happens, what would your "liberal" views of "it's just a cartoon" be useful of, but the hatred of 1/7 of the earth, who can have allies to the east easily.
    It is just a cartoon. I understand that western freedom of speech and expression is at odds with much of the Muslim world but Muslims do themselves no favors when they act like angry children throwing a tantrum. Want to be taken seriously by the rest of the world and not treated like a pyromaniac holding a match and can of gasoline? Good. Prove that you can actually respect us, and we'll return the favor.

    [The Jihadist aren't attacking you because you are non-muslims (if that was their sole-reason, not even ten people would companion them in their quest), they say you are non-muslims who attacked muslims, and if they succeed to prove that, no Muslims would be moderate anymore, Ayatollah would've not hated you as much if you didn't help the Shah kill his people]
    I agree. U.S. imperialism has provoked much of this wrath.

    Keep a reason not flipping 1.6 billion swords on you countries. It's lovely to act for children like us, if we don't like cartoon of the prophet, you better not do some, because this would be interpreted aggressive, and give reason to people like Qaeda to convince people like me, that you are an enemy.
    Yeah, see, this right here? This threat? This not-so-subtle promise of violence? You really, really need to work on that. (If you can.)

    Otherwise you'll continue to be dismissed as either maniacs, or maniacs in waiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    Otherwise you'll continue to be dismissed as either maniacs, or maniacs in waiting.

    I know what I said, there's no need to highlight it.
    [I can't get convinced by extremist by a cartoon, but when Phosphoric shells hit my children, they wouldn't need to do the argument, I would love to leave my side to theirs easily - which is happening these days in Syria, everyone is taking sides, even people I missed to be Agnostic for time, are now heavenly worshipers ready to kill anyone in the way, I am still sane under these ... stuff, And I say I am a one who knows the scripture, simple people - who make a vast majority - would easily - as people in this forum - be furious when people hold Quran, a message everyone believe in our countries is of non-violence, and no one care about the "109" or "119" verses you enjoy to scream of, hold it and dis-respect it and say it is a message of blood, not a muslim -even a Jihadist think that- and simple people can easily think it is an attack on Islam, because you wouldn't getting these out-of-context verses to the discussion, only if wanted blood, that has been between the two worlds, East and West, since before Islam.]

    Maybe Atheists can get this easier, We are a Religion that refuses to abandon its tradition easily, We have been for that last 1400 year been propagandized as, the day this religion abandon its milestones, then this Religion would be ended.

    So, Yes, We are children (And I am proud to be one), who still live in prophets and God-made miracles millennium, and (for some, NOT ME) it's easier to change your human-made laws in the West to respect our God-made laws of Etiquette.
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    I can't get convinced by extremist by a cartoon, but when Phosphoric shells hit my children...
    Look, I hate what's happened in the middle east and what continues to go on there. It's an abomination and war crime, plain and simple.

    And I say I am a one who knows the scripture, simple people - who make a vast majority - would easily - as people in this forum - be furious when people hold Quran, a message everyone believe in our countries is of non-violence, and no one care about the "109" or "119" verses you enjoy to scream of, hold it and dis-respect it and say it is a message of blood, not a muslim -even a Jihadist think that- and simple people can easily think it is an attack on Islam, because you wouldn't getting these out-of-context verses to the discussion, only if wanted blood, that has been between the two worlds, East and West, since before Islam.
    Like I said already, it's easy for folks who don't know your book to cherry pick it.

    Maybe Atheists can get this easier, We are a Religion that refuses to abandon its tradition easily...
    Uh, yeah. I've noticed.

    So, Yes, We are children (And I am proud to be one), who still live in prophets and God-made miracles millennium, and (for some, NOT ME) it's easier to change your human-made laws in the West to respect our God-made laws of Etiquette.
    This goes well beyond "etiquette." Something you need to understand is that there exists no right to not be offended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    This goes well beyond "etiquette." Something you need to understand is that there exists no right to not be offended.
    Believe me if I tell you, it is "etiquette", because if I accept it to be more than that, I wouldn't be sitting in a right-wing christian forum.

    I know that you understand me, but you understand me to the extent you saw of us, you don't know what goes beyond that.

    What is happening right now, is not a "Jihad" or anything near it, it is just small groups making skirmishes, Jihad happens when every Muslim's against you [One of the terms clerics put for Jihad is, the acceptance of whole Nation, if the whole Nation doesn't accept, it is a fitna, not the real thing], something your politicians acquired awareness of since Ottoman Empire, and made their tight precautions of. (and today, they are afraid of such thing, that all they love is to go around the middle-east and fight the century battle in East Asia -- Something Obama, as friends here refuse, is doing good in for his nation, this is a place you don't love to put your nose in).

    Anyways, Everyone here would love to bring over verses, for what ? just to make Muslims angry. Nothing more Nothing less, the whole procedure Westerners are taking about my nation is Wrong X Wrong.

    (But I for one people, might be on the favor of it, at least it will make us a one nation again ... remember my words).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulla Sadra View Post
    Believe me if I tell you, it is "etiquette", because if I accept it to be more than that, I wouldn't be sitting in a right-wing christian forum.
    If it was just a question of manners Muslims wouldn't resort to violence.

    Anyways, Everyone here would love to bring over verses, for what ? just to make Muslims angry.
    Seems to me a lot of you guys aren't used to being questioned or criticized. Something else to work on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulla Sadra View Post
    All you will be doing, is instead of Qaeda (a small group Afghani nutcases) being your only enemy, you will acquire 1.6 billion Muslims as enemies.

    Let me see you when that happens, what would your "liberal" views of "it's just a cartoon" be useful of, but the hatred of 1/7 of the earth, who can have allies to the east easily.

    Keep a reason not flipping 1.6 billion swords on you countries. It's lovely to act for children like us, if we don't like cartoon of the prophet, you better not do some, because this would be interpreted aggressive, and give reason to people like Qaeda to convince people like me, that you are an enemy.
    Any questions? This hell bound heathen thinks it is ok to take the sword to you, or the other 1.6 billion over a cartoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    Seems to me a lot of you guys aren't used to being questioned or criticized. Something else to work on.
    Yes, tell me about it I don't like to be questioned :
    http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=91470

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    Something else you don't know about us, Muslims have been taught Quran language since childhood, if you have read it [In Arabic -- dunno about the English version if still got the same taste], you will be taught a language of challenge. That get seriously hard in the verses that Muslims usually read in prayers :

    May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he.His wealth will not avail him or that which he gained.He will [enter to] burn in a Fire of [blazing] flameAnd his wife [as well] - the carrier of firewood.Around her neck is a rope of [twisted] fiber.

    That Abu-Lahab guy could've easily act to be a Muslim to prove that Muhammad challenging words are wrong, but he didn't.

    You will find this language in every verse in Quran.

    So don't get as "you don't like questioned", you just don't know the intonation of words on Arabic tongue. [Something else you have to work on to get to know us].
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    Any questions? This hell bound heathen thinks it is ok to take the sword to you, or the other 1.6 billion over a cartoon.
    Heathen, hahahahahaha.

    What a word !!

    If you had gave yourself time to read my post, instead of bolding it, you would've understand that [heathen] me don't accept what you remarked
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    If it was just a question of manners Muslims wouldn't resort to violence.
    BTW, Muslims think that the prophet mission was to order manners, so it is the gist of the whole religion.
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